From mcarter@netopia.com Sun Mar 01 00:07:12 1998 Received: from io.Farallon.COM (io.farallon.com [163.176.4.31]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id AAA29029 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 00:07:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from waygate (waygate.farallon.com [163.176.8.12]) by io.Farallon.COM (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA16332 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 22:06:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: 28 Feb 1998 22:05:35 U From: "Michael Carter" Subject: GPS candidates To: "APRSSig" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-MS 3.0.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have a list of GPS units that can be used with APRS? I saw that DeLorme has the Tripmate unit bundled with their software. I = like the idea of a GPS "puck" that doesn't have a user interface. The most = appealing thing about it would probably be the cost. Has anyone seen such = a unit? Mike Carter From bruninga@nadn.navy.mil Sun Mar 01 00:19:51 1998 Received: from arctic.nadn.navy.mil (arctic.nadn.navy.mil [131.121.8.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id AAA00531 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 00:19:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (bruninga@localhost) by arctic.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA11356; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 01:19:12 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.nadn.navy.mil: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 01:19:11 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: Jeff Brenton cc: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21515] Mapping coverage program wanted In-Reply-To: <34F8DD27.2363@espi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Good work! I agree, if you can take that kind of organized approach in areas with obviously widespread mature APRS network, then suppressing unneeded RELAY's is an excellent idea.... And one to be encouraged. When I look at the APRServe map, however, and see the other 80% of the USA with no (0) APRS activity, however, you can understand why the generic default of RELAY has to remain... (unfortunately)... On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Jeff Brenton wrote: > I came up with an idea for mapping digipeater coverage, but don't have > time to learn KISS programming to implement it... > > What I'm looking for is something I can run in the car, reading the > output of the GPS, and sending position packets at chosen intervals. > Sounds simple, so far.... > > What is special is that the packets will NORMALLY be sent with a path of > a single "WIDE"; if it isn't digipeated within an adjustable period of, > say, 10 seconds, it is broadcast again, with the path of "RELAY", to see > if THAT path works. > > Now that I think about it, mayhaps the way to do it would be to use a > LIST of calls to try, so you can test for particular digipeaters, rather > than generic calls. > > The logs from this program, or any APRS station in the area, for that > matter, could be used to plot the ACTUAL coverage for your area, and > identify places where setting up home stations as RELAY would be > advisable. > > As some on this list know, I am not an advocate of "every" APRS station > having an alias of RELAY. Just as only stations with truly wide coverage > should be designated as "WIDE", I think only stations that cover an area > that can't be heard by a WIDE should use the alias of RELAY. > > In our county, I have personally mapped 90% of the county's coverage, > and identified one major area that needed RELAYs, and asked two people > (one at each end of the valley in question) to do so. Everyone else, I > ask to change it, and help them to do so. > > As technical advisor to the Northern Illinois APRS Network (NIAN), I'm > suggesting this as "area-wide" policy, hence the desire to more > precisely map our area easily. > > [wow - a request for help and a lecture in one message...~] > -- > > Jeff Brenton, Ham Radio call KA9VNV > Questionable web page: http://www.dididahdahdidit.com > Selling some toys: http://www.espi.com/ForSale.html > > APRSdos REPLY/COMMENT: Reply mail addr: wb4apr@amsat.org US mail address: 115 old Farm Ct, Glen Burnie, MD 21060 See DAYTON97 HISTORY: http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/dayton.html See Maryland APRS LIVE: http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/aprs.html See GPS on ANY radio: http://www.tapr.org/tapr/html/mic-e.html From bruninga@nadn.navy.mil Sun Mar 01 00:25:00 1998 Received: from arctic.nadn.navy.mil (arctic.nadn.navy.mil [131.121.8.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id AAA00735; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 00:24:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (bruninga@localhost) by arctic.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA11406; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 01:24:26 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.nadn.navy.mil: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 01:24:26 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: APRS Freq List Manager cc: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: aprs-freq MARYLAND In-Reply-To: <199803010456.XAA16566@mail.mia.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII WB4APR-1 145.79 MARYLAND ANNAPOLIS 3859.41/07629.31 Bob Bruninga WB4APR bruninga@nadn.navy.mil YES 5 April 1998 From kd4emi@juno.com Sun Mar 01 00:48:22 1998 Received: from m1.boston.juno.com (m1.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.199]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id AAA09398; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 00:48:12 -0600 (CST) Received: (from kd4emi@juno.com) by m1.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id BaA01359; Sun, 01 Mar 1998 01:47:27 EST To: aprssig@tapr.org Cc: APRS-FL@tapr.org Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 01:43:08 -0500 Subject: question Message-ID: <19980301.014315.3190.3.kd4emi@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-12,14-16 From: kd4emi@juno.com (Michael A Kantor) what is the relationship between the frequency (I mean to say how often) of a DGPS signal and how accurate it is... How often do you have to xmit it to work well... Why ? Well, now that these DGPS units are available to anyone, what is to stop more than one person who wants to play from sending DGPS correction within a network ? Is it every 5 secs what does that give ? every 10 " " every 20... How much is effective...Is it based on your speed as to how often you need updates ? Mike KD4EMI@JUNO.COM _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From kd4rdb@usa.net Sun Mar 01 01:06:32 1998 Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net (dns01.ops.usa.net [204.68.24.137]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id BAA16224 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 01:06:31 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 7430 invoked by alias); 1 Mar 1998 07:06:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 7403 invoked from network); 1 Mar 1998 07:06:26 -0000 Received: from bg4-230.eagnet.com (HELO kd4rdb.eag.net) (199.76.206.230) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 1 Mar 1998 07:06:26 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980301020620.006a63a0@mail.eagnet.com> X-Sender: kd4rdb@mail.eagnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 02:06:27 -0500 To: mcarter@netopia.com, aprssig@tapr.org From: Wes Johnston Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21519] GPS candidates Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The tripmate is my pick for trackers. One guy i know of doesn't like the idea of a "cute yellow" box sitting on his dash waiting to be stolen, so he shoves it in a burger king bag that's crinkled shut on one end.... looks like a messy car!!! The draw backs of the tripmate are that it does not autostart, and that it must run on 6 volts or less. I have two units, and have done both the autostart and 12V power mod's internal to the units. see http://www.qsl.net/kd4rdb/tripmate.htm for the details. Believe me, I started out with dongles and adapter cables, and the mod's presented on my page are elegant. Sorry about the grainy pics... they were taken with a video camera, and the 35mm pics are sitting on a roll of film waiting to be developed. Michael Carter wrote: >Does anyone have a list of GPS units that can be used with APRS? > >I saw that DeLorme has the Tripmate unit bundled with their software. I = >like the idea of a GPS "puck" that doesn't have a user interface. The most = >appealing thing about it would probably be the cost. Has anyone seen such = >a unit? > >Mike Carter > > Wes Email: mailto:kd4rdb@usa.net EU ax25: mailto:kd4rdb@on1kul-10.ampr.org WEB: http://www.qsl.net/kd4rdb http://www.qsl.net/kd4rdb/aprs.htm ICQ: 273949 Lat/Long: 3209.36N/08109.88W Covert member of the Secret Right Wing Conspiracy. From rvaughan@gate.net Sun Mar 01 02:27:45 1998 Received: from osage.gate.net (root@osage.gate.net [198.206.134.25]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id CAA19113 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 02:27:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from 200mmx (Ray_NT@miafl3-49.gate.net [199.227.35.176]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA120434 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 03:27:11 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980301082734.010ded58@pop.gate.net> X-Sender: rvaughan@pop.gate.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 03:27:34 -0500 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: "Ray J. Vaughan" Subject: APRS on a web page You might remember a few days ago I asked about how I can include APRS on my web page. Well, thanks to Steve Dimse K4HG, I'm now up and running with my very own personalized APRS map showing my house and car. This is neat. If you haven't given it a try, please do. If you want to see an example: http://www.gate.net/~rvaughan/finding.htm If you have Front Page 98, and want to do this, let me know. I think I can explain it to you. I kinda did it the long way, but I now see how Front Page can accept the information you need. Ray, KD4BBM From sparkfel@primenet.com Sun Mar 01 04:42:27 1998 Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id EAA23162 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 04:42:25 -0600 (CST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA13752; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 03:42:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from ip-20-102.phx.primenet.com(206.165.20.102), claiming to be "primenet.primenet.com" via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd013740; Sun Mar 1 03:42:16 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980301034134.007cb510@pop.primenet.com> X-Sender: sparkfel@pop.primenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 03:41:34 -0700 To: mcarter@netopia.com, aprssig@tapr.org From: Mark Fellhauer Subject: GPS candidates In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:11 AM 3/1/98 -0600, Michael Carter wrote: >Does anyone have a list of GPS units that can be used with APRS? > Any GPS with an NMEA output can be used with APRS. >I saw that DeLorme has the Tripmate unit bundled with their software. I like the idea of a GPS "puck" that doesn't have a user interface. The most appealing thing about it would probably be the cost. Has anyone seen such a unit? There are several GPS engines available, some with housings, some not. My favorite so far, is the Garmin GPS-36 (based on the 12 channel Garmin 25 engine), which is in a mouse sized waterproof unit that can be mounted several ways. It includes a marine mount which can be screwed to any 1" x 14 nautical antenna post. Cost is not so appealing. Mine was 247 dollars with shipping. A basic GPS engine can be had for under $200, but most require that you obtain an antenna separately. Older 8 channel versions of Garmin "TracPaks" can be had for as low as $100. Look for my new GPS-36 tracker setup, on the air tomorrow (well actually today, as it's 3:30 AM locally). Woulda been on today, but had a few technical difficulties (dead gell cell), and ran out of time as I had a dinner party to go to. 73, Mark KC7BXS From sparkfel@primenet.com Sun Mar 01 05:10:27 1998 Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id FAA24399 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 05:10:25 -0600 (CST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA15927; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 04:10:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from ip-20-102.phx.primenet.com(206.165.20.102), claiming to be "primenet.primenet.com" via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd015919; Sun Mar 1 04:10:20 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980301040937.007cb540@pop.primenet.com> X-Sender: sparkfel@pop.primenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 04:09:37 -0700 To: kd4rdb@usa.net, aprssig@tapr.org From: Mark Fellhauer Subject: Re: GPS candidates In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980301020620.006a63a0@mail.eagnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:10 AM 3/1/98 -0600, Wes Johnston wrote: >The tripmate is my pick for trackers. One guy i know of doesn't like the >idea of a "cute yellow" box sitting on his dash waiting to be stolen, so he >shoves it in a burger king bag that's crinkled shut on one end.... looks >like a messy car!!! That would be gone from my car in 20 minutes in Phoenix! Car thieves here know all the tricks. I have an external Paccomm "puck" antenna hidden under my dashmat right now, and the tiny bump from the oreo cookie sized antenna is not noticeable. It's a good way to go if you have a GPS engine. My GPS-36 may be painted blue to match my car's plastic (or covered in blue fabric) and placed on the rear seat sholder restraint mount in the hatchback boot. It's not noticeable at all (even now when it's shocking white) under the tinted back window in that spot. Plus it has a really good view of the sky there. My car was broken into last August, the first night of my vacation to SoDak (KB0WSV's wedding). I assume someone in my Condo complex knew I was leaving (sad, but true) and decided to check out what I had in there. Everyone around here knows I'm the kook who carries a Glock, and it's not a good idea to break into my car when I'm around. Fortunately, I'd removed ALL the electronics from inside my car. They didn't take anything of value, including my Diamond NR7700 antenna, a $40 pair of Jones sunglasses, or my digital tire pressure guage. But they did take my manilla folder of TBARC WestFest flyers (!) sitting under the front passenger seat. Kinda a lot of work, breaking out my driver's side window and throwing it into the flood-lot, just to steal a packet of hamfest flyers. Now I just have to figure out the best way to hide some sort of antenna for my APRS transceiver. Anyone know of a good stealth antenna that works reasonably well? 73, Mark KC7BXS From n4xcv@grits.net Sun Mar 01 06:38:42 1998 Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id GAA01509 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 06:38:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from n4xcv (ruth-43.grits.net [207.201.217.43]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA05473 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 07:39:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199803011239.HAA05473@ns.shelby.net> X-Sender: n4xcv@grits.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 07:38:10 -0500 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: Andy Ruppe Subject: aprsa4i 8.19 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Is anybody out there running aprsa4i ver 8.19 with street atlas? PROBLEM HERE:Ok when i run the aprsa4i and when a mobile station come on but i dont see it on my postion page but do see it on the tnc page and traffic page then i go to maps and tell it to do a latest updates and i never see the mobile on there.For instances ok ive got my mobile working ok & im N4XCV-9 MOBILE and i dont see my mobile on the postion page or on strret atlas 5.0 as n4xcv-9 it only shows my base station callsign only everyone else says there seeing mobile JEEPS,CAR,VAN mobiles but me no not a one on my aprsa4i 8.19 just dont understand it.Now im seeing mobiles on dos aprs 8.13 plus also on winaprs 2.12 im seeing mobiles but when i load aprsa4i up no show mobiles at all on postion page or on SA what can i do to solve this problem? 73 de n4xcv Andy From cpeebles@wkpowerlink.com Sun Mar 01 07:06:58 1998 Received: from freya.vphos.net (ns2.vphos.net [207.102.129.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id HAA06984 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 07:06:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from ts1-9 (ts1-9.nelson.wkpowerlink.com [209.52.242.10]) by freya.vphos.net (8.8.6/1.25) with SMTP id FAA10890; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 05:06:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34F9338F.1B41@wkpowerlink.com> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 05:08:15 -0500 From: Clinton Reply-To: cpeebles@wkpowerlink.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jono@webspun.com CC: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21503] Pico Packet and Cold Temperatures References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jon Ogden wrote: > STILL loses it's brains when it gets cold. It sat in the car overnight > and guess what, this morning, it reset itself. I have a PK-12 that has done the same thing. -- Clinton Peebles VE7KNL Grid DN19ie E-Mail: cpeebles@wkpowerlink.com Packet Radio: VE7KNL@VE7CW.#SEBC.BC.CAN.NOAM From schiers@netins.net Sun Mar 01 07:07:19 1998 Received: from ins6.netins.net (ins6.netins.net [167.142.225.6]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id HAA07008 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 07:07:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from netins.net (desm-28-47.dialup.netins.net [167.142.23.176]) by ins6.netins.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA25852; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 07:07:08 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34F95D7A.9DF3ADE2@netins.net> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 07:07:07 -0600 From: hasan schiers Reply-To: schiers@netins.net Organization: Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jono@webspun.com CC: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21503] Pico Packet and Cold Temperatures References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jon, I had the reset problem about a year ago with a new pico. They tried to fix it twice, then sent me a new one. The new one has worked perfectly in EXACTLY the same conditions that the old one wouldn't...in the car as a tracker, cold, hot, start/stop. It has never reset itself. Have them give you a new one. They fixed it in the newer design, but I don't think they know why...cuz they don't appear to be able to fix it reliably in the old ones. They work VERY well. 73 Jon Ogden wrote: > Well, I got my pico packet back from Paccomm yesterday. Guess what, it > STILL loses it's brains when it gets cold. It sat in the car overnight > and guess what, this morning, it reset itself. > > I thought maybe my lithium battery was getting low. So I changed it. > Then I took and reset all my parameters. Next I put the Pico in the > refrigerator for a couple of hours. Guess what, it lost it's brains > again. I turned the power switch on, and it did come up without reseting > itself but it took a while. Then I cycled the power a few times. Then > it reset itself. > > I don't know if anyone else has had reliability problems like this, but > it's annoying. > > Does anyone from Paccomm monitor this list? Does Paccomm environmentally > test their products before shipping? I can't believe they can survive in > the commercial market with quality like this. Monday morning they are > getting called up and told that my pico is coming back to them and this > time I want them to fix it or give me something that works! > > 73, > > Jon > KE9NA > > ------------------------------------- > Jon Ogden > KE9NA > > http://www.qsl.net/ke9na > > "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." -- hasan, N0AN schiers@netins.net From schiers@netins.net Sun Mar 01 07:15:18 1998 Received: from ins6.netins.net (ins6.netins.net [167.142.225.6]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id HAA07282 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 07:15:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from netins.net (desm-28-47.dialup.netins.net [167.142.23.176]) by ins6.netins.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA07656; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 07:15:08 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34F95F5B.9C6A4CDB@netins.net> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 07:15:07 -0600 From: hasan schiers Reply-To: schiers@netins.net Organization: Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jeffb@espi.com CC: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21509] Re: HUGE opening References: <34F8B3B7.1DA3@espi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff Brenton wrote: > Might I refer you to the "questionable" web page below, and the map I'm > trying to maintain? I'm trying to show, graphically, what areas are on > what frequencies, although I had to set a cut-off date for the first > version as what WILL be on or about the first week in April.... > > http://www.dididahdahdidit.com/APRSFreq.htm > Nice job Jeff...this is a GREAT service for all of us and beautifully done. I hope you keep it up...it is going to be very valuable to anyone traveling (which I don't, much), and very interesting to those involved in the move. One side note: anyone who thought the move was going to be seamless and without temporary loss of "coordination" on a wide scale basis is due a visit from the tooth fairy. This is NOT a pro or con move thread! It is an observation about how things work on a large scale no matter what one does. Nearly all of Iowa has been moved for weeks...yet we still have some fellas out on the eastern border along I-80 who have yet to get it done. It's just part of the normal problems associated with a change of this magnitude. It will all work out fine in the end. Just try to be patient. 73 -- hasan, N0AN schiers@netins.net From schiers@netins.net Sun Mar 01 07:28:19 1998 Received: from ins2.netins.net (ins2.netins.net [167.142.225.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id HAA08084 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 07:28:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from netins.net (desm-28-47.dialup.netins.net [167.142.23.176]) by ins2.netins.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA26513; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 07:28:13 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34F9626C.287EF88C@netins.net> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 07:28:12 -0600 From: hasan schiers Reply-To: schiers@netins.net Organization: Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rvaughan@gate.net CC: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21524] APRS on a web page References: <1.5.4.32.19980301082734.010ded58@pop.gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ray J. Vaughan wrote: > You might remember a few days ago I asked about how I can include APRS on my > web page. Well, thanks to Steve Dimse K4HG, I'm now up and running with my > very own personalized APRS map showing my house and car. > > This is neat. If you haven't given it a try, please do. If you want to see > an example: http://www.gate.net/~rvaughan/finding.htm It doesn't work for me...in fact it causes NS 4.04 to crash and burn. I get a blank javAPRS map, indication that java applet is running and then a nice big crash of Netscape Communicator 4.04. Reliably repeated this failure 3 times, so something is on that page the NS 4.04 does NOT like. 73 and as always YMMV. -- hasan, N0AN schiers@netins.net From k4hg@tapr.org Sun Mar 01 08:32:16 1998 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ppp-19.mia-tc-1.netrox.net [207.16.8.82]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id IAA11196; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 08:31:42 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199803011431.IAA11196@tapr.org> Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21531] Re: APRS on a web page Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 09:31:50 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Steve Dimse K4HG To: , "aprssig" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" On 3/1/98 8:33 AM hasan schiers (schiers@netins.net) wrote: >It doesn't work for me...in fact it causes NS 4.04 to crash and burn. Works great for me on Mac IE 4, Mac Netscape 4, W95 IE 4, and W95 Netscape 4.... Steve K4HG From kb9oqc@iquest.net Sun Mar 01 09:02:32 1998 Received: from iquest3.iquest.net (iquest3.iquest.net [209.43.20.203]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id JAA12471 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 09:02:30 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 8647 invoked from network); 1 Mar 1998 15:02:28 -0000 Received: from laf-0001-13.iquest.net (HELO john-1) (204.95.254.205) by iquest3.iquest.net with SMTP; 1 Mar 1998 15:02:28 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980301100121.006990c4@pop.iquest.net> X-Sender: kb9oqc@pop.iquest.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 10:01:21 -0500 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: John Martin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm new to APRS and have seen various unproto paths used. Can anyone point me to a web page that explains them. I have seen gate, trace, echo, etc used and I'd like to find out what they all do. Thanks John kb9oqc@iquest.net From kd4emi@juno.com Sun Mar 01 09:22:39 1998 Received: from m1.boston.juno.com (m1.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.199]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id JAA13698 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 09:22:37 -0600 (CST) Received: (from kd4emi@juno.com) by m1.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id KqQ07782; Sun, 01 Mar 1998 10:22:05 EST To: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 10:18:04 -0500 Subject: DIGI survey Message-ID: <19980301.101805.8518.2.kd4emi@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3 From: kd4emi@juno.com (Michael A Kantor) who ever asked the survey, pls repeat format. Deleted the msg and would like to respond. mike _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From wa6ylb@theworks.com Sun Mar 01 10:33:43 1998 Received: from ns.theworks.com (root@ns.theworks.com [206.171.181.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id KAA17569 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 10:33:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from default (visalia2.theworks.com [209.77.229.102]) by ns.theworks.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA12387; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 08:33:11 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803011633.IAA12387@ns.theworks.com> X-Sender: wa6ylb@mail.theworks.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 08:31:32 -0800 To: sparkfel@primenet.com From: Byron Smith Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21526] Re: GPS candidates Cc: aprssig@tapr.org In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980301040937.007cb540@pop.primenet.com> References: <3.0.32.19980301020620.006a63a0@mail.eagnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We use STI-CO antennas for our undercover NARC cars at work. THe antenna is made for the exact model of car you have. THey also have am/fm antenna couplers that allow the existing radios to work. Antenna price is a bit over 100 bucks, but they really do work well (I'm amazed - we looked for years before finding one that did work) I do have a phone number at work if your interested. They are cut to the freq you specify. We get them for VHF and UHF radios. I think you will be impressed. It looks exactly like the cowl mounted antenna you have now. -much snipped- >Now I just have to figure out the best way to hide some sort of antenna for >my APRS transceiver. Anyone know of a good stealth antenna that works >reasonably well? > >73, > >Mark >KC7BXS > Byron Smith wa6ylb@theworks.com - Webpage: http://www.theworks.com/~wa6ylb wa6ylb@wa6ylb.#cca.ca.usa.noam If a man makes a statement, deep in the forest, and there isn't a woman around to hear him, is he still wrong? From wa6ylb@theworks.com Sun Mar 01 10:46:26 1998 Received: from ns.theworks.com (root@ns.theworks.com [206.171.181.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id KAA17861 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 10:46:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from default (visalia2.theworks.com [209.77.229.102]) by ns.theworks.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA12626; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 08:45:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803011645.IAA12626@ns.theworks.com> X-Sender: wa6ylb@mail.theworks.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 08:35:36 -0800 To: schiers@netins.net From: Byron Smith Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21531] Re: APRS on a web page Cc: aprssig@tapr.org In-Reply-To: <34F9626C.287EF88C@netins.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Interesting . I'm running IE 4.0 and its there FB. At 07:33 AM 3/1/98 -0600, you wrote: > > >Ray J. Vaughan wrote: > >> You might remember a few days ago I asked about how I can include APRS on my >> web page. Well, thanks to Steve Dimse K4HG, I'm now up and running with my >> very own personalized APRS map showing my house and car. >> >> This is neat. If you haven't given it a try, please do. If you want to see >> an example: http://www.gate.net/~rvaughan/finding.htm > >It doesn't work for me...in fact it causes NS 4.04 to crash and burn. I get a >blank javAPRS map, indication that java applet is running and then a nice big >crash of Netscape Communicator 4.04. Reliably repeated this failure 3 times, so >something is on that page the NS 4.04 does NOT like. 73 and as always YMMV. >-- >hasan, N0AN > >schiers@netins.net > Byron Smith wa6ylb@theworks.com - Webpage: http://www.theworks.com/~wa6ylb wa6ylb@wa6ylb.#cca.ca.usa.noam If a man makes a statement, deep in the forest, and there isn't a woman around to hear him, is he still wrong? From riverock@televar.com Sun Mar 01 11:23:15 1998 Received: from concord.televar.com (root@concord.televar.com [208.8.131.83]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id LAA20368 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 11:23:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from televar.com (brewsteruser054.televar.com [208.26.169.59]) by concord.televar.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13787 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 09:23:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34F99974.96FFFD16@televar.com> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 09:23:00 -0800 From: Shaw X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21532] Re: APRS on a web page References: <199803011431.IAA11196@tapr.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve Dimse K4HG wrote: > > On 3/1/98 8:33 AM hasan schiers (schiers@netins.net) wrote: > > >It doesn't work for me...in fact it causes NS 4.04 to crash and burn. > > Works great for me on Mac IE 4, Mac Netscape 4, W95 IE 4, and W95 > Netscape 4.... > > Steve K4HG It crashed my Netscape 4.04 after the applet was running. It was one of those illegal operation errors which I do see occasionally. This was the first page I went to after turning the computer on this morning. Tom W7HOF From wa8inz@mindspring.com Sun Mar 01 11:48:19 1998 Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id LAA21532 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 11:48:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from gateway (user-38h1tag.dialup.mindspring.com [209.16.245.80]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA29765 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:48:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34F99F56.7ABD@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 11:48:06 -0600 From: William Nolle Reply-To: wa8inz@mindspring.com Organization: none X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21529] Re: Pico Packet and Cold Temperatures References: <34F95D7A.9DF3ADE2@netins.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am not going to run down PacComm this time like I have in the past but cannot sit by and watch those that happened to get a good PicoPacket to try to tell those that are having problems that it must be something they are doing wrong or that they must be dreaming. I owned two PicoPackets (One was a dual port) and both had this same reset problem like many of them do and even though some will try to tell you this problem doesn't exist or has been fixed from what I see on the sig it hasn't. My personal oppinion is that like Opra said about the hamburgers, I will never buy another Paccomm PicoPacket again. By the way I still own two paccomm's, the much better Handi-Packet. -- William Nolle [wa8inz] wa8inz@mindspring.com wa8inz@amsat.org Hazel Green,AL From kb2sfu@computer.net Sun Mar 01 11:50:58 1998 Received: from ns.computer.net (root@ns.computer.net [207.50.192.4]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id LAA21740 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 11:50:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from computer.net (brewster-ts1-port3.computer.net [207.50.195.74]) by ns.computer.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06490 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:52:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34F99EAB.A0BD574@computer.net> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 12:45:16 -0500 From: "Paul A. Glatz" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21531] Re: APRS on a web page References: <34F9626C.287EF88C@netins.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hasan schiers wrote: > Ray J. Vaughan wrote: > > > You might remember a few days ago I asked about how I can include APRS on my > > web page. Well, thanks to Steve Dimse K4HG, I'm now up and running with my > > very own personalized APRS map showing my house and car. > > > > This is neat. If you haven't given it a try, please do. If you want to see > > an example: http://www.gate.net/~rvaughan/finding.htm > > It doesn't work for me...in fact it causes NS 4.04 to crash and burn. I get a > blank javAPRS map, indication that java applet is running and then a nice big > crash of Netscape Communicator 4.04. Reliably repeated this failure 3 times, so > something is on that page the NS 4.04 does NOT like. 73 and as always YMMV. > -- > hasan, N0AN > > schiers@netins.net I also received an 'illegal operation' message BUT after the map showed up. BTW, it took awhile for everything to load. You might consider consolidating resources. 7 3 Vin - station N2OHH - mailto:n2ohh@hotmail.com From rocketman@basinlink.com Sun Mar 01 12:21:04 1998 Received: from basinlink.com (basinlink.com [208.224.35.10]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id MAA23927 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:21:01 -0600 (CST) X-ROUTED: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:04:56 -0500 Received: from altodsa1 [207.123.2.80] by basinlink.com with smtp id AMAEBIDE ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:04:24 -0500 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Alton Teague" To: APRSSIG@tapr.org Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:19:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21528] Re: Pico Packet and Cold Temperatures Priority: normal In-reply-to: <34F9338F.1B41@wkpowerlink.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-ID: > Jon Ogden wrote: > > STILL loses it's brains when it gets cold. It sat in the car overnight > > and guess what, this morning, it reset itself. > Clinton Peebles wrote: > I have a PK-12 that has done the same thing. I have over 120 PicoPackets running in an outdoor commercial application and have had temperatures as low as 6 degrees F without them missing a lick. The only "failures" we have had were attributed to cable problems, one so-called "weathertight" conduit connection that leaked and filled the radio box with water, and one drunk with a .22 who put a few holes in a unit as well as several nearby highway road signs. And one that I managed to really mess up experimenting with - LOL -73- de N5PSP - Alton "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, and among them are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness." From jeffk@jeffk.com Sun Mar 01 12:21:53 1998 Received: from jeffk.com (jeffk.com [205.149.189.21]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id MAA23988 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:21:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from kh6juz.jeffk.com (mg131-178.ricochet.net [204.179.131.178]) by jeffk.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA6397 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 10:22:12 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980301102132.00899a70@jeffk.com> X-Sender: jeffk@jeffk.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 10:21:32 -0800 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: "Jeffrey Komori - KH6JUZ" Subject: Re: APRS on a web page In-Reply-To: <34F9626C.287EF88C@netins.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:33 AM 3/1/98 -0600, schiers wrote: > > >Ray J. Vaughan wrote: ... >> This is neat. If you haven't given it a try, please do. If you want to see >> an example: http://www.gate.net/~rvaughan/finding.htm > >It doesn't work for me...in fact it causes NS 4.04 to crash and burn. I get a >blank javAPRS map, indication that java applet is running and then a nice big >crash of Netscape Communicator 4.04. Reliably repeated this failure 3 times, so >something is on that page the NS 4.04 does NOT like. 73 and as always YMMV. >-- >hasan, N0AN I had no problems loading Ray's webpage using NS 4.04 on a Win95 platform. Just my observations, Jeffrey Komori, KH6JUZ Member of Technical Committee Baker to Vegas Challenge Cup Relay Fremont / Union City / Alameda Country / Temple Station _________________________________________________________________________ 264 North Whisman Road #16, Mountain View, CA 94043-3930 MCSE KH6JUZ PP-ASEL mailto:jeffk@jeffk.com http://www.jeffk.com/jeffk.html _________________________________________________________________________ KH6JUZ Enterprise [web hosting for]: http://www.baker-to-vegas.org/ B-to-V Challenge Cup Relay, APRS Support http://www.borlase.com/ Charles Borlase Enterprise http://www.esperanto.org/ Esperanto - The International Language http://www.hawastsoc.org/ Hawaiian Astronomical Society http://www.hpcug.org/ Hawaii PC Users Group http://www.jeffk.com/ Jeff Komori's Info-Superhighway Reststop http://www.pclg.org/ Presbyterian Church of Los Gatos http://www.pdarrl.org/ Pacific Division of the ARRL http://www.recdotaviation.org/ Usenet's rec.aviation Goes to Reno http://www.svnpa.org/ Silicon Valley Network Prof. Assoc. http://www.unixguy.com/ Rob Scott - The Unix Guy http://www.smxgig.org/ The Annual AVSIG Santa Maria(SMX) Fly-in __________________________________________________________________________ From pk@ij.net Sun Mar 01 13:20:57 1998 Received: from solomon (solomon.ij.net [207.22.166.254]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id NAA07051 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 13:20:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from [207.100.8.183] by solomon (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id aa710710 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:19:55 -0500 Message-ID: <009901bd4548$ad2fe140$b70864cf@homepc> Reply-To: "Paul Knupke, Jr." From: "Paul Knupke, Jr." To: Subject: Tracker.... Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:31:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3007.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3007.0 A few weeks ago at the Orlando hamfest, I picked up a TAPR special GPS-30 and finally got a chance to play around more with it. I put it out on the porch yesterday and hooked it to my old HP Omnibook laptop so I could watch the serial data. Walked away about an hour or so to do other stuff and came back and it had locked on. Then I dug out my dual port Pico, cables and old HT and wired put it all together... well in no time I was sending out GPS data! Yeah! It is as simple as putting the GPS out (pin 2 of the GPS-30) into the RX line of the second serial port of the TNC! Last summer I was using a Tripmate but never had much success. I think I fried it... Need to send it to Delorme for repair -- then attempt it again. 73 de KR4YL Paul From jeffb@espi.com Sun Mar 01 13:25:25 1998 Received: from mork.stans.com (mork.stans.com [209.42.7.15]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id NAA07155 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 13:25:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from dial06.stans.com (dial06.stans.com [209.42.7.106]) by mork.stans.com (NTMail 3.03.0013/1.ab4a) with ESMTP id ua162650 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 13:25:24 -0600 Message-ID: <34F9B627.4764@espi.com> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 13:25:27 -0600 From: Jeff Brenton Reply-To: jeffb@espi.com Organization: Engineered Software Products Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: schiers@netins.net CC: aprssig Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21530] Re: HUGE opening References: <34F95F5B.9C6A4CDB@netins.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the kudos, Hasan... from the message posted here on APRSSIG Saturday, it looks like TAPR might be getting in on the job of a text-based solution to "who's where", and that could probably be put into a POS file for mapping on the various flavours of APRS... I *do* plan on maintaining it, so long as people give me updates on what's going on, or until we somehow DO manage a nationwide, single VHF APRS frequency... And, before that, I'll probably have started a map on where you can get UHF APRS, and on what frequency! As for the eastern IA stations, it was my understanding that they were waiting for NIAN to make a decision, since they're "almost" part of our network. Many of those in western MI also wanted to know what NIAN would do. Of course, the change in central and western IA and all of WI changing kind of forced us into changing our collective mind... My estimate has been and remains that the switch to 144.39 has set the national APRS network back about 2, maybe 3 years, and it will be interesting to see how quickly we can gain that back. In some areas (like where you and I live, IA and IL, respectively), the net will "heal" within 2 months, what with most of the area planning to be back on one frequency before mid-April. By then, you'll be able to drive from Cleveland or Cincinnati to Kansas City on one frequency, just as we were able to do prior to Feb. 1st. In fact, it SHOULD be possible to go from near New York City to Kansas City on 144.39 by then, depending upon what happens with that unreported area around Erie, PA. The most problems are going to be in the southeast US, I think. In the northeast, they've had the influence of Canada pushing 144.39 for many months. Other areas, like the northwest states and British Columbia are contemplating the move in a coordinated fashion. But, GA, NC, SC, AL, and VA/WV seem to have a lot of division amongst the ranks on whether to move, let alone WHEN to move, and I don't blame them one bit! hasan schiers wrote: > Nice job Jeff...this is a GREAT service for all of us and beautifully > done. I hope you keep it up...it is going to be very valuable to > anyone traveling (which I don't, much), and very interesting to > those involved in the move. > > One side note: anyone who thought the move was going to be seamless > and without temporary loss of "coordination" on a wide scale basis > is due a visit from the tooth fairy. > > This is NOT a pro or con move thread! It is an observation about how > things work on a large scale no matter what one does. Nearly all of > Iowa has been moved for weeks...yet we still have some fellas out on > the eastern border along I-80 who have yet to get it done. It's just > part of the normal problems associated with a change of this > magnitude. > > It will all work out fine in the end. Just try to be patient. 73 --- Jeff Brenton, Ham Radio call KA9VNV Questionable web page: http://www.dididahdahdidit.com Selling some toys: http://www.espi.com/ForSale.html From jeffb@espi.com Sun Mar 01 13:35:50 1998 Received: from mork.stans.com (mork.stans.com [209.42.7.15]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id NAA07684 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 13:35:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from dial06.stans.com (dial06.stans.com [209.42.7.106]) by mork.stans.com (NTMail 3.03.0013/1.ab4a) with ESMTP id xa162653 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 13:35:49 -0600 Message-ID: <34F9B899.1EAB@espi.com> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 13:35:53 -0600 From: Jeff Brenton Reply-To: jeffb@espi.com Organization: Engineered Software Products Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kb9oqc@iquest.net CC: aprssig Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21533] References: <3.0.3.32.19980301100121.006990c4@pop.iquest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Martin wrote: > I'm new to APRS and have seen various unproto paths used. Can > anyone point me to a web page that explains them. I have seen gate, > trace, echo, etc used and I'd like to find out what they all do. I just re-did the web page that Keith Sproul put together as a front end to the DOS APRS text files, which you might want to check out... follow the link to the "questionable" web page in my signature line, then select the DOS APRS help. In particular, take a look at OPS.TXT and DIGIS.TXT, which cover the basics of APRS paths. The DETAILS get a little stickier, because every network is different, and different aliases have different meanings behind their use. A big example is "TRACE", which is mostly identical to WIDE, but limits your packet to being digipeated by WIDEs that have improved software in them. Using WIDE4-4 or TRACE4-4 limits that even further; not all networks support these aliases. Generally speaking, a mobile should use a path of "RELAY,WIDE", possibly "RELAY,WIDE,WIDE", if you're driving around a large area. These paths will give you good coverage. A base station, however, shouldn't use generic calls, once you've figured out who is in the area. By using the specific calls of different digipeaters, you can direct where your signal goes. For example, I have a weather station, from which packets went out to different routes at different parts of the hour. The first call was always "WIDE", to get it out to all digipeaters inside the "inner circle", but the second call was always a digi along a path in a particular direction; one to the north and west, one towards the southeast, and a particularly long path to the south, which MOST of the time made it from Woodstock, IL, to Springfield... -- Jeff Brenton, Ham Radio call KA9VNV Questionable web page: http://www.dididahdahdidit.com Selling some toys: http://www.espi.com/ForSale.html From kb8vee@netonecom.net Sun Mar 01 14:05:02 1998 Received: from netone.netonecom.net (root@netone.netonecom.net [207.142.160.4]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id OAA09688 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:05:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from mkg-35.netonecom.net (mkg-35.netonecom.net [207.142.165.35]) by netone.netonecom.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA00782 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:04:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by mkg-35.netonecom.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BD4523.648D5DC0@mkg-35.netonecom.net>; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:04:54 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD4523.648D5DC0@mkg-35.netonecom.net> From: TOM VANDERMEL To: "'A TAPR'" Subject: FW: [APRSSIG:21517] TAPR APRS Freq Database Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:04:42 -0500 Encoding: 42 TEXT Michael Kantor you wanted this sent again for the information. I will report my Digis soon 73 Tom VanderMel KB8VEE DEC Mich. -----Original Message----- From: APRS Freq List Manager [SMTP:aprs-freq@tapr.org] Sent: Sunday, March 01, 1998 12:00 AM To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: [APRSSIG:21517] TAPR APRS Freq Database To All In conjunction with all the current QSY efforts and future frequency changes TAPR is compiling a list of VHF APRS frequencies for the United States. We are requesting the assistance of all APRS digi owners or sysops to submit the following information for compiling into the NADSD web page. This information will be used to monitor the progress of the frequency change and to assist in any further research on the subject in the near future. The following information is requested to be sent to in this format aprs-freq@tapr.org subject line please insert aprs-freq (STATE) Body of message: Digi callsign with SSID Current frequency State Municipality Lat/Long in d/m Contact Name Contact Callsign e-mail address Yes or No for QSY to 144.39 QSY date intended Rich Garcia K4GPS EX: N2CZF, KA2FXA Jupiter Farms Fl. k4gps@bellsouth.net http://florida.aprs.net http://www.radiotronics.com From k4hg@tapr.org Sun Mar 01 14:21:01 1998 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ppp-19.mia-tc-1.netrox.net [207.16.8.82]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id OAA10582; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:20:56 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199803012020.OAA10582@tapr.org> Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21543] Re: HUGE opening Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:21:04 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Steve Dimse K4HG To: , "aprssig" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" On 3/1/98 2:32 PM Jeff Brenton (jeffb@espi.com) wrote: >Thanks for the kudos, Hasan... from the message posted here on APRSSIG >Saturday, it looks like TAPR might be getting in on the job of a >text-based solution to "who's where", and that could probably be put >into a POS file for mapping on the various flavours of APRS... > It will become part of the TAPR North American Digital Systems Directory. APRS was grossly under-represented in this. The NADSD is available in both a text and javAPRS format. Steve K4HG From philgood@deltanet.com Sun Mar 01 14:23:42 1998 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (mail2.deltanet.com [199.171.190.56]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id OAA10774 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:23:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from deltanet.com (anx-arc0240.deltanet.com [205.230.194.240]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA18038 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:23:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34F9C468.77871E04@deltanet.com> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 12:26:16 -0800 From: Phil Goodman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: APRS Subject: Help with WinAPRS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes another Newbie, but ya got to start somewhere. I trying to install WinAPRS on my laptop running WIN3.1. I've installed WIN32S and tested its operation by playing the card game. So far, so good. I've set the working directory to C:\WINAPRS, so it should be seeing the correct files. When I start the program all appears to be well. I get the intro screen showing "macAPRS for Windows Version 2.1.0", but the next message I get is "Program Error: mapData==nil[ReadMapFileIntoWindow]". If I press [Okay] nothing happens. Any ideas? Phil Goodman | philgood@deltanet.com | kc6sep From ab0gd@usa.net Sun Mar 01 14:32:00 1998 Received: from images.netaddress.usa.net (realimage03.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.74]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id OAA11112 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:31:58 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 6863 invoked from network); 1 Mar 1998 20:33:47 -0000 Received: from www07.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.27) by realimage03.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 1 Mar 1998 20:33:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 11255 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Mar 1998 20:25:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19980301202554.11253.qmail@www07.netaddress.usa.net> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 13:25:54 From: Lumpy To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [[APRSSIG:21540] Re: Pico Packet and Cold Temperatures] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I have over 120 PicoPackets running in an outdoor commercial > application and have had temperatures as low as 6 degrees F without > them missing a lick. Hi Alton - I for one would love to hear about your application with 120+ units in service. Sounds fascinating Lumpy lumpy@digitalcartography.com === The Very Unofficial Colorado APRS Page http://www.digitalcartography.com/APRS.htm ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com From w6hqa@west.net Sun Mar 01 15:23:36 1998 Received: from acme.sb.west.net (acme.sb.west.net [205.254.224.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id PAA14711 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:23:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from big-cheese (term1-11.simi.west.net [205.254.244.43]) by acme.sb.west.net (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA14094 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 13:23:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001201bd4557$f985aac0$2bf4fecd@big-cheese> From: "Howard Coleman, W6HQA" To: Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21536] Re: APRS on a web page Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 13:21:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Netscape 4.03 showed the map fine. After upgrading to 4.04, I get a Java applet error. Written to netscape about the problem but have yet to get a response. I'm about ready to take 4.04 out and reload 4.03. Howard -----Original Message----- From: Byron Smith To: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Sunday, March 01, 1998 9:21 AM Subject: [APRSSIG:21536] Re: APRS on a web page >Interesting . I'm running IE 4.0 and its there FB. > > >At 07:33 AM 3/1/98 -0600, you wrote: >> >> >>Ray J. Vaughan wrote: >> >>> You might remember a few days ago I asked about how I can include APRS >on my >>> web page. Well, thanks to Steve Dimse K4HG, I'm now up and running with my >>> very own personalized APRS map showing my house and car. >>> >>> This is neat. If you haven't given it a try, please do. If you want to >see >>> an example: http://www.gate.net/~rvaughan/finding.htm >> >>It doesn't work for me...in fact it causes NS 4.04 to crash and burn. I get a >>blank javAPRS map, indication that java applet is running and then a nice big >>crash of Netscape Communicator 4.04. Reliably repeated this failure 3 >times, so >>something is on that page the NS 4.04 does NOT like. 73 and as always YMMV. >>-- >>hasan, N0AN >> >>schiers@netins.net >> > >Byron Smith >wa6ylb@theworks.com - Webpage: http://www.theworks.com/~wa6ylb >wa6ylb@wa6ylb.#cca.ca.usa.noam > >If a man makes a statement, deep in the forest, and there isn't a woman >around to hear him, is he still wrong? > From kd4emi@juno.com Sun Mar 01 15:43:57 1998 Received: from m1.boston.juno.com (m1.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.199]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id PAA15586 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:43:55 -0600 (CST) Received: (from kd4emi@juno.com) by m1.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id QqX07782; Sun, 01 Mar 1998 16:43:11 EST To: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 13:05:37 -0500 Subject: Re: APRS on a web page Message-ID: <19980301.163911.4734.0.kd4emi@juno.com> References: <34F99974.96FFFD16@televar.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1 From: kd4emi@juno.com (Michael A Kantor) It seems to work fine on the AOL version of explorer. mike _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From kd4emi@juno.com Sun Mar 01 15:44:22 1998 Received: from m1.boston.juno.com (m1.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.199]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id PAA15639 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:44:20 -0600 (CST) Received: (from kd4emi@juno.com) by m1.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id QqY07782; Sun, 01 Mar 1998 16:43:11 EST To: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 16:39:10 -0500 Subject: new GPS Message-ID: <19980301.163911.4734.1.kd4emi@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1,3-6 From: kd4emi@juno.com (Michael A Kantor) I didnt notice if it had been discussed but Garmin has a new GPS looks like a teardrop sorta shaped GPS II. Automatically figures street routes etc..desgined for cars..BOATS US had it for 499. Looked interesting. Mike _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From rvaughan@gate.net Sun Mar 01 15:57:32 1998 Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (root@chickasaw.gate.net [198.206.134.26]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id PAA16452 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:57:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from 200mmx (miafl2-1.gate.net [199.227.35.64]) by chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA76424 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 16:55:58 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980301215608.00f4afe4@pop.gate.net> X-Sender: rvaughan@pop.gate.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 16:56:08 -0500 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: "Ray J. Vaughan" Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21549] Re: APRS on a web page I just did their upgrade program from their web site. Still seems to report being 4.02, but now I get some Java error on the home page. Once I say okay to all of them, everything seems to work again. Weird. Should have stayed where I was. btw, I've added some weather radar and satellite images thanks to Java. This thing is cool once you get used to installing it. Ray, KD4BBM At 03:29 PM 3/1/98 -0600, you wrote: >Netscape 4.03 showed the map fine. After upgrading to 4.04, I get a Java >applet error. Written to netscape about the problem but have yet to get a >response. I'm about ready to take 4.04 out and reload 4.03. > >Howard > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Byron Smith >To: aprssig@tapr.org >Date: Sunday, March 01, 1998 9:21 AM >Subject: [APRSSIG:21536] Re: APRS on a web page > > >>Interesting . I'm running IE 4.0 and its there FB. >> >> >>At 07:33 AM 3/1/98 -0600, you wrote: >>> >>> >>>Ray J. Vaughan wrote: >>> >>>> You might remember a few days ago I asked about how I can include APRS >>on my >>>> web page. Well, thanks to Steve Dimse K4HG, I'm now up and running with >my >>>> very own personalized APRS map showing my house and car. >>>> >>>> This is neat. If you haven't given it a try, please do. If you want to >>see >>>> an example: http://www.gate.net/~rvaughan/finding.htm >>> >>>It doesn't work for me...in fact it causes NS 4.04 to crash and burn. I >get a >>>blank javAPRS map, indication that java applet is running and then a nice >big >>>crash of Netscape Communicator 4.04. Reliably repeated this failure 3 >>times, so >>>something is on that page the NS 4.04 does NOT like. 73 and as always >YMMV. >>>-- >>>hasan, N0AN >>> >>>schiers@netins.net >>> >> >>Byron Smith >>wa6ylb@theworks.com - Webpage: http://www.theworks.com/~wa6ylb >>wa6ylb@wa6ylb.#cca.ca.usa.noam >> >>If a man makes a statement, deep in the forest, and there isn't a woman >>around to hear him, is he still wrong? >> > > From ku0g@kcaprs.org Sun Mar 01 16:07:51 1998 Received: from mail.kc.idir.net (mail.kc.idir.net [209.172.192.4]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id QAA17281 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 16:07:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from kcaprs.org ([209.172.192.160]) by mail.kc.idir.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA06076 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 16:07:47 -0600 Message-ID: <34F9DCF8.E1FAA719@kcaprs.org> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 16:11:04 -0600 From: Jim Duncan Reply-To: ku0g@kcaprs.org Organization: Kansas City APRS Working Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "aprssig@tapr.org" Subject: Kansas City/W MO QSY... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As of 1600 CST, the Kansas City area and it's associated digipeaters have moved to 144.39 MHz. A crossband link between 144.39 and 145.79 will be operational in the next 24 hours to keep network connectivity available during the transition. -- 73 de Jim, KU0G Chairman/Coordinator Kansas City APRS Working Group, W0APR Rogue Squadron Storm Chasers Mailto:ku0g@kcaprs.org Webpage: http://www.kcaprs.org BorgNet: 1st of 10 From n9gsu@juno.com Sun Mar 01 16:09:19 1998 Received: from m20.boston.juno.com (m20.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.190]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id QAA17387 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 16:09:16 -0600 (CST) From: n9gsu@juno.com Received: (from n9gsu@juno.com) by m20.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id REQ06627; Sun, 01 Mar 1998 17:08:12 EST To: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 17:08:31 -0500 Subject: WinWeather and Aprs? Message-ID: <19980301.170834.4070.1.N9GSU@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,6-16 Good afternoon, all.... I found, and downloaded from the net, a great program called WinWeather...it uses your internet connection to got to the rainmaker.wunderground site on the net, and gets the latest observations and latest NWS forecasts for the city, cities, or state that you pick. I'm curious...this is such a great program, there ought to be a way to interface some of that information to APRS. Ideas, anyone? By the way, the address of that page is: http://www.igsnet.com 73, Rick Garrett Minister of Music, Creekwood Baptist Church DXing from Muncie, Indiana MW/HF/VHF/UHF Monitoring APRS on 145.79 Alternate address: SBCmusic@aol.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From jono@webspun.com Sun Mar 01 19:17:11 1998 Received: from axon.axnet.com (axon.axnet.com [207.252.104.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id TAA04850 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:17:08 -0600 (CST) X-ROUTED: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:19:48 -0600 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Jono Received: from [207.252.105.138] [207.252.105.138] by axon.axnet.com with smtp id BDBDCBDD ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:19:34 -0600 Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21515] Mapping coverage program wanted Date: Sun, 1 Mar 98 19:18:18 -0600 x-sender: jono@popmail.webspun.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: Jon Ogden To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: >As some on this list know, I am not an advocate of "every" APRS station >having an alias of RELAY. Just as only stations with truly wide coverage >should be designated as "WIDE", I think only stations that cover an area >that can't be heard by a WIDE should use the alias of RELAY. > >In our county, I have personally mapped 90% of the county's coverage, >and identified one major area that needed RELAYs, and asked two people >(one at each end of the valley in question) to do so. Everyone else, I >ask to change it, and help them to do so. There is a problem though with this, Jeff. I run mobile with only 2 or 3 watts of power from an HT. Just because there is a WIDE digi in the area does not mean that I can hit it with flea power. However, if I drive by someone's house who is half way between two digis I can't hit, then that person's RELAY would be a big help. I don't think that just cause a digi can have visual line of sight to someone, it does not mean that the radio signals will get there. There are lot of things that can attenuate a small signal, trees, buildings, etc. etc. What do you define as a minimum power level to transmit with so a WIDE can hear you? Is it 0.5 watts, 1 watt, 2 watts, 5 watts??? 5 watts may get a lot farther than .5. There are possibly a lot of people running small trackers with itty bitty radios. They could possibly hear your wide, but would your wide hear them reliably. So I have to disagree here with you. I think more stations need to be relays, not fewer. If it can be proven that a low power station can hit a WIDE and then when that WIDE drops out, they can hit another, then no, there probably doesn't need to be a relay station. But how can you be sure?? Rather, I think every station possible (unless two APRSers are neighbors) should be RELAYs. Home stations should NOT use relay in their path unless running low power and high power mobiles should avoid it as well. Only low power stations should use RELAY in their paths (mobile, portable or fixed). That I think would work best and cause minimum interference problems. Just my thoughts. 73, Jon KE9NA ------------------------------------- Jon Ogden KE9NA http://www.qsl.net/ke9na "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." From rwf@BSRG.org Sun Mar 01 20:36:02 1998 Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id UAA08665 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 20:36:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from rwf.mindspring.com (user-38lcdct.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.53.157]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA29406 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 21:35:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Message-Id: X-Sender: rwf@mail.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 21:32:59 -0500 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: rwf Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21525] GPS candidates In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980301034134.007cb510@pop.primenet.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mark F.wrote: >There are several GPS engines available, some with housings, some not. My >favorite so far, is the Garmin GPS-36 (based on the 12 channel Garmin 25 >engine), which is in a mouse sized waterproof unit that can be mounted >several ways. It includes a marine mount which can be screwed to any 1" x >14 nautical antenna post. Cost is not so appealing. Mine was 247 dollars >with shipping. This is the same as the GPS-35, but white in color and has that pipe mount. Does it have the mag mount base too? I wonder who has the best price now. Did Comm Systems Intermountain really stop selling Garmin? Mark- where did you get your 36? A basic GPS engine can be had for under $200, but most >require that you obtain an antenna separately. Older 8 channel versions of >Garmin "TracPaks" can be had for as low as $100. They are actually 1 channel, not 8. Steer clear unless you want poor performance! Of course, as they say, you get what you pay for. From philgood@deltanet.com Sun Mar 01 20:44:55 1998 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (mail2.deltanet.com [199.171.190.56]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id UAA08919 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 20:44:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from deltanet.com (anx-arc0237.deltanet.com [205.230.194.237]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02075 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 18:44:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34FA1DC1.C70CB3EF@deltanet.com> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 18:47:29 -0800 From: Phil Goodman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: APRS Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21547] Help with WinAPRS References: <002501bd456c$c7a1dbe0$4ec616cf@rbost.itexas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The title screen says "MacAPRS for Windows V2.1.0" and the title bar says "WinAPRS" Roy Bost wrote: > It appears that you have downloaded the wrong program if you're getting > macAPRS messages! Be sure you have WINAPRS 2.0.2! > > Roy W Bost > e-mail: rbost@itexas.net > This message transmitted on 100% recycled electrons From w2hob@mosquito.com Sun Mar 01 21:16:31 1998 Received: from itchy.mosquito.com (itchy.mosquito.com [206.205.132.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id VAA10904 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 21:16:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from w2hob.mosquito.com (dial81.mosquito.com [206.205.132.110]) by itchy.mosquito.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA12238 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:31:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980301221640.006c44d8@mail.mosquito.com> X-Sender: w2hob@mail.mosquito.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 22:16:40 -0500 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: Boyd Prestwood Subject: QSY INFO RESPONSE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As requested by someone, Rich Garcia, I think (hi Rich!), I submit the following info to him and anyone else interested: W2HOB-15 145.790-MHz NJ Pemberton (Burlington Co) 3958.22NN07438.56W Boyd Prestwood W2HOB w2hob@mosquito.com YES 04/05/98 N2MSM-15 Not-on-yet NJ Marmora (Cape May Co) 3915.50NN07439.13W John Massie N2MSM n2msm@aol.com YES As-soon-as-rocks-arrive after 04/05/98 N2IPH-15 145.790-MHz NJ Bridgeton (Cumberland Co) 3927.47N\07509.15W Bob Derderian N2IPH n2iph@cyberenet.net YES 04/05/98 I hope this helps. Have fun es 73 de Boyd W2HOB From tac@clark.net Sun Mar 01 21:17:34 1998 Received: from loas.clark.net (root@mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id VAA10977 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 21:17:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from clark.net (tac.clark.net [168.143.32.123]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13502; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:17:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34FA246B.5B4FE3A0@clark.net> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 03:15:55 +0000 From: "Tom Clark (W3IWI)" Reply-To: tac@clark.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kd4emi@juno.com, aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Garmin Info References: <19980301.163911.4734.1.kd4emi@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael, KD4EMI wrote: > I didnt notice if it had been discussed but Garmin has a new GPS > looks like a teardrop sorta shaped GPS II. It's actually a spin-off from the GPS-III called the StreetPilot -- see http://www.garmin.com/db?MItab=garmin&MIval=streetPilot for details. The GPS-III (and apparently the StreetPilot) use the new hi-res gray-scale LCD display and have an Americas database built in. Apparently with the StreetPilot you can plug in ROM-based street-level database cards. Also apparently Garmin has a new GPS-48, which is a GPS-45XL with the MUCH! BETTER! 12-channel receiver, but it isn't on their web site yet. Defender Marine's latest catalog shows the -48 costing about $25 more than a GPS-II+ or GPS-12XL. There has been some confusion in the Garmin models. The following all use the older sequential receiver that has trouble locking up and doesn't do too well in foliage :<{ -- GPS-20, GPS-30, GPS-38, GPS-40, GPS-45, GPS-45XL, GPSII & GPS-12 The following are all newer models with the 12-channel parallel technology (which is much superior and well worth the added cost ;<} ) GPS-25, GPS-36, GPS-12XL, GPS-II+, GPS-III, GPS-175 & StreetPilot Someone asked about the GPS-45 vs 45XL: They represent evolutionary changes but are basically the same product. They both have the older (and IMHO poorer) sequential receivers. The XL had an improved display, and FINALLY incorporated the amateur Maidhead grid as an output format. The same difference exists between the GPS-40 & GPS-38, (with the -38 being the later model like the XL). The 40/38 are nearly identical to the 45/45XL except that they do not have the flip-up antenna (with BNC connector) and will not run from 12V power and are gray instead of white in color. Personally, I can highly recommend the II+ (not the older & poorer II!) as being very convenient as either a hand-held or for use in a vehicle. The GPS-III looks the same but has a much nicer LCD display and has the built in map of the Americas. The downside of the GPS-III is that it costs ~$100 more thaan a II+, and the III's fancier display & map database make batteries die in about 8 hours in a GPS-III vs ~20 hours in a GPS-II+. One final Garmin note -- TAPR now has the 12-channel GPS-25LP OEM board available for $179 -- see http://www.tapr.org/gps/index.html for info. A BIG PLUS over the older GPS-20's that TAPR had -- the GPS-25 comes with a pre-wired cable. No more need to put to put those bitchy little pins on the wires and try to jam them into the connector without the proper tools! The GPS-25 is mechanically interchangable with the -20. The -25 is already working in my "Totally Accurate Clock" hardware and in the TAC32 software. My -25 locked up on 9 satellites within minutes of plugging it into my TAC receiver tester. 73 de Tom, W3IWI From mnie@fuse.net Sun Mar 01 21:54:51 1998 Received: from enterprise.fuse.net (enterprise-new.fuse.net [206.230.21.97]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id VAA13695 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 21:54:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from nie1 (yukon-39.fuse.net [208.16.145.59]) by enterprise.fuse.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA24139 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:54:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:53:56 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD4564.EA6E8680.mnie@fuse.net> From: Michael Nie Reply-To: "mnie@fuse.net" To: "'aprssig@tapr.org'" Subject: APRS QSY Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:53:55 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The N8NWS wide digipeater in downtown Cincinnati has QSY'd to 144.39. The KB8VMX-10 wide digipeater in western Cincinnati will follow in a few days. 73 Mike - KB8VMX From sparkfel@primenet.com Sun Mar 01 22:07:41 1998 Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id WAA14671 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:07:39 -0600 (CST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA26820; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 21:07:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from ip-23-096.phx.primenet.com(206.165.23.96), claiming to be "primenet.primenet.com" via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd026811; Sun Mar 1 21:07:34 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980301210655.007c1100@pop.primenet.com> X-Sender: sparkfel@pop.primenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 21:06:55 -0700 To: rwf@bsrg.org, aprssig@tapr.org From: Mark Fellhauer Subject: Re: GPS candidates In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19980301034134.007cb510@pop.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:42 PM 3/1/98 -0600, rwf wrote: >This is the same as the GPS-35, but white in color and has that pipe mount. > Does it have the mag mount base too? >I wonder who has the best price now. >Did Comm Systems Intermountain really stop selling Garmin? >Mark- where did you get your 36? The mag mount for the GPS-35 will work, but you'll have to order it. I got mine from VIT Electronics for about $247 with shipping. This was the best price I could find. Comm Systems Intermountain is no longer carrying Garmin stuff. > >A basic GPS engine can be had for under $200, but most >>require that you obtain an antenna separately. Older 8 channel versions of >>Garmin "TracPaks" can be had for as low as $100. > >They are actually 1 channel, not 8. Steer clear unless you want poor >performance! Of course, as they say, you get what you pay for. > Good advice. The GPS-36 seems to be maintaining lock even under my METAL carport. 73, Mark KC7BXS From sparkfel@primenet.com Sun Mar 01 22:10:33 1998 Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id WAA14905 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:10:31 -0600 (CST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA27420; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 21:10:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from ip-23-096.phx.primenet.com(206.165.23.96), claiming to be "primenet.primenet.com" via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd027401; Sun Mar 1 21:10:22 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980301210943.007c8c60@pop.primenet.com> X-Sender: sparkfel@pop.primenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 21:09:43 -0700 To: tac@clark.net, aprssig@tapr.org From: Mark Fellhauer Subject: Re: Garmin Info In-Reply-To: <34FA246B.5B4FE3A0@clark.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >One final Garmin note -- TAPR now has the 12-channel GPS-25LP OEM board >available for $179 -- see http://www.tapr.org/gps/index.html for info. >A BIG PLUS over the older GPS-20's that TAPR had -- the GPS-25 comes >with a pre-wired cable. No more need to put to put those bitchy little >pins on the wires and try to jam them into the connector without the >proper tools! The GPS-25 is mechanically interchangable with the -20. >The -25 is already working in my "Totally Accurate Clock" hardware and >in the TAC32 software. My -25 locked up on 9 satellites within minutes >of plugging it into my TAC receiver tester. > Oh, sure, now you tell me I can get a GPS-25...right after I order my GPS-36. 73, Mark KC7BXS From tac@clark.net Sun Mar 01 22:14:01 1998 Received: from loas.clark.net (root@loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id WAA15217 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:13:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from clark.net (tac.clark.net [168.143.32.123]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA09639; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 23:13:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34FA31A8.E09B19C1@clark.net> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 04:12:24 +0000 From: "Tom Clark (W3IWI)" Reply-To: tac@clark.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Fellhauer CC: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: Garmin Info References: <3.0.5.32.19980301210943.007c8c60@pop.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Fellhauer wrote: > Oh, sure, now you tell me I can get a GPS-25...right after I order my GPS-36. Hey -- don't shoot the messenger! Tom From bruninga@nadn.navy.mil Sun Mar 01 22:25:23 1998 Received: from arctic.nadn.navy.mil (arctic.nadn.navy.mil [131.121.8.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id WAA16242 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:25:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (bruninga@localhost) by arctic.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA15705 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 23:24:50 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.nadn.navy.mil: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 23:24:50 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: DOSmaps Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I mostly only pay attention to my map distros in the files/dosstuff/APRSdos area, but today I looked at the PCMaps area and noticed a lot of apparent dupes and old maps. I will go through there in the next few days and delete all XXmapsNN.zip files that have a later version (NN+1) for example... If for somereason you want the old copy to remain, tell me soon... de bob From mcarter@netopia.com Sun Mar 01 22:39:29 1998 Received: from io.Farallon.COM (io.farallon.com [163.176.4.31]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id WAA17543 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:39:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from waygate (waygate.farallon.com [163.176.8.12]) by io.Farallon.COM (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA02289 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 20:39:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: 1 Mar 1998 20:38:35 U From: "Michael Carter" Subject: Digipeaters in APRS To: "APRSSig" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-MS 3.0.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've noticed that when I monitor with MacAPRS, I see on the average 22 = stations around my QTH. When I select Display -> Direct only, only one = digipeater is shown on my map. Does this mean it's the only station I hear = directly, and it is relaying the other stations? Secondly, since the digipeater seems to be the only one I directly = communicate with, shouldn't I specify somewhere in my communications = parameters that I want to send all my traffic through the digipeater? That = sounds like the sensible way too do it, but I have not seen any = description of how accomplish that. Any comments? -MikeC- From jeffb@espi.com Sun Mar 01 23:16:28 1998 Received: from mork.stans.com (mork.stans.com [209.42.7.15]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id XAA19501 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 23:16:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from dial42.stans.com (dial42.stans.com [209.42.7.142]) by mork.stans.com (NTMail 3.03.0013/1.ab4a) with ESMTP id za162863 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 23:16:34 -0600 Message-ID: <34FA40B7.DDF@espi.com> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 23:16:39 -0600 From: Jeff Brenton Reply-To: jeffb@espi.com Organization: Engineered Software Products Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jono@webspun.com CC: aprssig Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21555] Re: Mapping coverage program wanted References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jon Ogden wrote: > > >As some on this list know, I am not an advocate of "every" APRS > >station having an alias of RELAY. > > There is a problem though with this, Jeff. I run mobile with only > 2 or 3 watts of power from an HT. Just because there is a WIDE digi > in the area does not mean that I can hit it with flea power. You're running the same power I'm running... and that's what I use for mapping the area, and what I'm trying to make sure the area can "support", so long as the trackers run 'RELAY,WIDE' in their path. > However, if I drive by someone's house who is half way between two > digis I can't hit, then that person's RELAY would be a big help. This is the reason behind the coverage mapping... determining WHICH "someone's house" *needs* to be that helpful RELAY, and eliminating the excess, to cut down on collisions. After all, only a small percentage of home stations are going to be using one of the TNCs with APRS features built in. > What do you define as a minimum power level to transmit with so a WIDE > can hear you? Is it 0.5 watts, 1 watt, 2 watts, 5 watts??? I think a 5 watt mobile a good design point. Most commercial systems are designed around the idea of 25 watt mobiles with 1/4-wave antennas, and 5w into a 3db antenna works as well... And that's, as I said, what I'm mapping the local area with. So far, McHenry and Lake counties in Illinois work with this setup, except for one area along the Boone/McHenry lines, but that might have been an interference problem. Looks like Kane and Winnebago counties work, too. While you might disagree, there is a bit of misunderstanding here... the number of relays in the network doesn't mean squat beyond that first digi hop, so a WIDE going down isn't going to be fixed by having 8,000 RELAYs out there... Now, I *DO* have a "fix" for this, but it can't be done right now. Maybe when AX.25 is incorporated into Win/MacAPRS and it can be programmed with some digipeater code... The idea is a "fill-in" W/R station - it only responds as a WIDE or RELAY if NO OTHER WIDE/RELAY digipeats a packet within 30 seconds, so that you can fill in areas without losing a hop to an excessive number of RELAYs. Remember - making "every" station a RELAY leaves you open for essentially losing a hop of distance, and maybe all range... if the ill-placed RELAYs step on each other trying to digipeat your packet! -- Jeff Brenton, Ham Radio call KA9VNV Questionable web page: http://www.dididahdahdidit.com Selling some toys: http://www.espi.com/ForSale.html From kd4noq@juno.com Sun Mar 01 23:36:58 1998 Received: from x1.boston.juno.com (x1.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.21]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id XAA20708 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 23:36:56 -0600 (CST) Received: (from kd4noq@juno.com) by x1.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id AVJ27962; Mon, 02 Mar 1998 00:35:57 EST To: Kd4emi@aol.com Cc: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 05:40:18 -0600 Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21464] MICRO BURST Message-ID: <19980228.060846.9374.57.KD4NOQ@juno.com> References: <96e14457.34f68966@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0 From: kd4noq@juno.com (David R Campbell) Cadillac already has this in there ON-Star sys. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From kd4noq@juno.com Sun Mar 01 23:36:59 1998 Received: from x1.boston.juno.com (x1.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.21]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id XAA20715 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 23:36:58 -0600 (CST) Received: (from kd4noq@juno.com) by x1.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id AVN27962; Mon, 02 Mar 1998 00:35:58 EST To: kd4emi@juno.com Cc: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 05:56:59 -0600 Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21551] new GPS Message-ID: <19980228.060846.9374.61.KD4NOQ@juno.com> References: <19980301.163911.4734.1.kd4emi@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1 From: kd4noq@juno.com (David R Campbell) Some one told me the other day that correction beacons were going to Cost Guard beacons on a SLF freq.Any body heard about this??? _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From kd4rdb@usa.net Mon Mar 02 00:00:32 1998 Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net (dns01.ops.usa.net [204.68.24.137]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id AAA23812 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 00:00:30 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 28215 invoked by alias); 2 Mar 1998 06:00:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 28192 invoked from network); 2 Mar 1998 06:00:24 -0000 Received: from bg4-214.eagnet.com (HELO kd4rdb.eagnet) (199.76.206.214) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 2 Mar 1998 06:00:24 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980302010023.0075125c@mail.eagnet.com> X-Sender: kd4rdb@mail.eagnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 01:00:27 -0500 To: kd4noq@juno.com, aprssig@tapr.org From: Wes Johnston Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21568] Re: new GPS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You mean like 200khz? yep.... one in Charleston SC.... David R Campbell wrote: >Some one told me the other day that correction beacons were going to Cost >Guard beacons on a SLF freq.Any body heard about this??? > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > Wes Email: mailto:kd4rdb@usa.net EU ax25: mailto:kd4rdb@on1kul-10.ampr.org WEB: http://www.qsl.net/kd4rdb http://www.qsl.net/kd4rdb/aprs.htm ICQ: 273949 Lat/Long: 3209.36N/08109.88W Covert member of the Secret Right Wing Conspiracy. From sparkfel@primenet.com Mon Mar 02 03:15:00 1998 Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id DAA16441 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 03:14:58 -0600 (CST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA21344 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 02:14:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from ip-23-096.phx.primenet.com(206.165.23.96), claiming to be "primenet.primenet.com" via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd021336; Mon Mar 2 02:14:48 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980302021417.007d5110@pop.primenet.com> X-Sender: sparkfel@pop.primenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 02:14:17 -0700 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: Mark Fellhauer Subject: Kantronics and WinCE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kantronics has annouced on its web page that they plan to release a version of PacTerm for Windows CE by the 3rd quarter of 1998. I've gotten my to work using a null modem on the Casio's sync cable and the native CE terminal program. The characters are small and the screen lags behind received data noticeably, but it works. I eargerly await the WinCE APRS version. I would also like to see a satellite tracking program for the WinCE. I seem to recall there was a basic version of software that would output satellite data in tabular form from a keplerian input. Does anyone remember what it was called, or have a copy of it. I would even try to port it to the WinCe myself... Mark KC7BXS From n8exf@juno.com Mon Mar 02 04:04:46 1998 Received: from m7.boston.juno.com (m7.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.196]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id EAA18163 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 04:04:44 -0600 (CST) Received: (from n8exf@juno.com) by m7.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FCB08596; Mon, 02 Mar 1998 05:03:42 EST To: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 05:02:50 -0500 Subject: Re: GPS candidates Message-ID: <19980302.050250.16094.0.N8EXF@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1,7-13 From: n8exf@juno.com (R L BOEHM) Does anyone know anything about a GPS receiver engine called the Ashtech G8 GPS?? I found an ad for Ashtech in this months Radio Resource magazine. The board is a showen in the ad to be a little smaller in length than an ignition key. The price is $98.00 "in quantities". I called the 800 number and was told that a one unit cost would be $139.00. A "developers kit" is also needed. I have not looked at the web page, but here is the listed address: www.ashtech.com 73 de Bob, N8EXF // KN webmaster www.qsl.net/wr8cra homepage www.qsl.net/n8exf Life Member: ARRL, NRA Covert Member: Hillary's Vast Right Wing Conspiracy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From n3nri@innernet.net Mon Mar 02 05:17:11 1998 Received: from innernet.net (innernet.net [207.121.52.5]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id FAA20650 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 05:17:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from n3nri ([207.121.52.85]) by innernet.net with SMTP (IPAD 2.03) id 2154800 ; Mon, 02 Mar 1998 06:22:01 EST From: "Greg Harbaugh" To: , Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21559] Garmin Info Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 06:17:45 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd45cc$d34807c0$553479cf@n3nri> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Tom, I think there is one mistake on your lists...the GPS12 and the 12XL are both 12 channel receivers... Greg -----Original Message----- From: Tom Clark (W3IWI) To: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Sunday, March 01, 1998 10:32 PM Subject: [APRSSIG:21559] Garmin Info >Michael, KD4EMI wrote: >> I didnt notice if it had been discussed but Garmin has a new GPS >> looks like a teardrop sorta shaped GPS II. > >It's actually a spin-off from the GPS-III called the StreetPilot -- >see http://www.garmin.com/db?MItab=garmin&MIval=streetPilot for >details. The GPS-III (and apparently the StreetPilot) use the new >hi-res gray-scale LCD display and have an Americas database built in. >Apparently with the StreetPilot you can plug in ROM-based street-level >database cards. > > >Also apparently Garmin has a new GPS-48, which is a GPS-45XL with the >MUCH! BETTER! 12-channel receiver, but it isn't on their web site yet. >Defender Marine's latest catalog shows the -48 costing about $25 more >than a GPS-II+ or GPS-12XL. > > >There has been some confusion in the Garmin models. The following >all use the older sequential receiver that has trouble locking up >and doesn't do too well in foliage :<{ -- > GPS-20, GPS-30, GPS-38, GPS-40, GPS-45, GPS-45XL, GPSII & GPS-12 > >The following are all newer models with the 12-channel parallel >technology (which is much superior and well worth the added cost ;<} ) > GPS-25, GPS-36, GPS-12XL, GPS-II+, GPS-III, GPS-175 & StreetPilot > > >Someone asked about the GPS-45 vs 45XL: They represent evolutionary >changes but are basically the same product. They both have the older >(and IMHO poorer) sequential receivers. The XL had an improved >display, and FINALLY incorporated the amateur Maidhead grid as an >output format. The same difference exists between the GPS-40 & GPS-38, >(with the -38 being the later model like the XL). The 40/38 are nearly >identical to the 45/45XL except that they do not have the flip-up >antenna (with BNC connector) and will not run from 12V power and are >gray instead of white in color. > > >Personally, I can highly recommend the II+ (not the older & poorer II!) >as being very convenient as either a hand-held or for use in a vehicle. >The GPS-III looks the same but has a much nicer LCD display and has the >built in map of the Americas. The downside of the GPS-III is that it >costs ~$100 more thaan a II+, and the III's fancier display & map >database make batteries die in about 8 hours in a GPS-III vs ~20 hours >in a GPS-II+. > > >One final Garmin note -- TAPR now has the 12-channel GPS-25LP OEM board >available for $179 -- see http://www.tapr.org/gps/index.html for info. >A BIG PLUS over the older GPS-20's that TAPR had -- the GPS-25 comes >with a pre-wired cable. No more need to put to put those bitchy little >pins on the wires and try to jam them into the connector without the >proper tools! The GPS-25 is mechanically interchangable with the -20. >The -25 is already working in my "Totally Accurate Clock" hardware and >in the TAC32 software. My -25 locked up on 9 satellites within minutes >of plugging it into my TAC receiver tester. > >73 de Tom, W3IWI > From msandss@po.jah.or.jp Mon Mar 02 05:21:51 1998 Received: from po.jah.ne.jp (0@cosmo.jah.ne.jp [210.162.2.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id FAA20952 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 05:21:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from [210.162.3.176] (dp2176.jah.ne.jp [210.162.3.176]) by po.jah.ne.jp (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta9/3.6W-jahgw98010516) with ESMTP id UAA20048 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:21:44 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:23:21 +0900 To: APRS SIG From: Matthew Stennett Subject: MY Turn; Bad Business GPS Company? Someone gave me a web-site to look at a few weeks ago. On one of the sites, I read something concerning one of the GPS companys was putting a " limiter " into their units, to KEEP it/them from being used in aircraft. What company was that?! I will NOT be buying a GPS unit from THAT company! MadMax; Tokyo MacRatt Matt; 7J6CAT/1 The ONLY APRS station in J-Pan! From kd4dla@amsat.org Mon Mar 02 07:17:55 1998 Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id HAA03820 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 07:17:53 -0600 (CST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA24928; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 07:16:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from det-mi19-29.ix.netcom.com(207.220.159.93) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma024915; Mon Mar 2 07:16:29 1998 Message-ID: <34FAB115.7EB7@amsat.org> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 08:16:05 -0500 From: James Clay French KD4DLA Reply-To: kd4dla@amsat.org Organization: SouthEast Michigan AMSAT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: schiers@netins.net CC: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21531] Re: APRS on a web page References: <34F9626C.287EF88C@netins.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hasan schiers wrote: > > Ray J. Vaughan wrote: > > > You might remember a few days ago I asked about how I can include APRS on my > > web page. Well, thanks to Steve Dimse K4HG, I'm now up and running with my > > very own personalized APRS map showing my house and car. > > > > This is neat. If you haven't given it a try, please do. If you want to see > > an example: http://www.gate.net/~rvaughan/finding.htm > > It doesn't work for me...in fact it causes NS 4.04 to crash and burn. I get a > blank javAPRS map, indication that java applet is running and then a nice big > crash of Netscape Communicator 4.04. Reliably repeated this failure 3 times, so > something is on that page the NS 4.04 does NOT like. 73 and as always YMMV. > -- > hasan, N0AN > > schiers@netins.net I use Netscape Navigater Gold and have found to run any page that has JavaAPRS, you have to go under "OPTIONS" and click "Show Java Console". You'll get a box showing what Java programs are running. I click the "Clear" box,which clear the Java Console of any Applets that are loaded there. You have to do this just after starting to load the page(s) otherwise it will crash. At least that my cure so far. I had the same problems till i started doing this. Hope this helps out. James KD4DLA SouthEast Michigan AMSAT Net Control From kc5jgv@juno.com Mon Mar 02 08:13:41 1998 Received: from m7.boston.juno.com (m7.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.196]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id IAA06021 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:13:39 -0600 (CST) Received: (from kc5jgv@juno.com) by m7.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id JtD08596; Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:13:03 EST To: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:10:47 -0600 Subject: Hoot'n Hollerin APRS digi Message-ID: <19980302.081059.7086.1.kc5jgv@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-6,9-15 From: kc5jgv@juno.com (J. S Ratchford) This is to announce the addition of a nother APRS digi to be in place soon in Branson, MO. This digi will be up sometime before May on the new 144.390 freq. This will be third TRACE digi installed in this area bringing to total to 4 in North Central Arkansas. All our digis will QSY to 144.390 in the next 60 days. The name of the new digi will be BRANSON. Although I may change that to BALD KNOBBERS. Anyhoo, anyone travelling to Branson this summer will have an APRS digi available to them. This digi will also be one hop away from a 2m/6m gateway. 73 J. Scott Ratchford - KC5JGV - ARES EC Searcy County, AR F.&A.M. Calf Creek Lodge #426 email: kc5jgv@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From geoff@acan.net Mon Mar 02 08:16:08 1998 Received: from ns1.acan.net (ns1.acan.net [206.202.0.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id IAA06073 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:16:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from ns1.acan.net (ns1.acan.net [206.202.0.2]) by ns1.acan.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA06461 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:15:44 -0600 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:15:44 -0600 (CST) From: Geoff Peacock To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21574] Re: APRS on a web page In-Reply-To: <34FAB115.7EB7@amsat.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is Ray really going 133 mph??? __ / / __ _ _ _ _ __ __ / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / /____/ /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ ...for IQ's higher than 95... KD4GOE geoff@acan.net On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, James Clay French KD4DLA wrote: > web page. Well, thanks to Steve Dimse K4HG, I'm now up and running with > my > > very own personalized APRS map showing my house and car. > > > > From jjc@infi.net Mon Mar 02 08:46:26 1998 Received: from sl001.infi.net (sl001.infi.net [205.219.238.210]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id IAA07760 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:46:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from ovc01 (pm6-68.orf.infi.net [209.97.9.68]) by sl001.infi.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA26864; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:44:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980302093153.00881b30@shellhost.pilot.infi.net> X-Sender: jjc@shellhost.pilot.infi.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:47:15 -0500 To: kd4noq@juno.com, aprssig@tapr.org From: Jim Conrad Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21568] Re: new GPS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:40 PM 3/1/98 -0600, David R Campbell wrote: >Some one told me the other day that correction beacons were going to Cost >Guard beacons on a SLF freq.Any body heard about this??? The Coast Guard is slowly taking over the USAF GWEN (Ground Wave Emergency Network) which used to provide survivable communications in the event of a Nuclear War. They are VLF in nature and I don't recall the freqs off the top of my head. The Air Force has abandoned VLF (for the most part) in favor of Satcom. Congress late last year approved funding to convert them to Correctional Beacon use. Several are operational as test beds, 1 I believe is near Seattle. ..Jim <:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:> <:> Jim Conrad - Ocean View Communications - CAGE 0UD60 - jjc@infi.net <:> <:> 757-490-8127 Office - 757-587-8251 Fax - 757-473-6740 Pager <:> <:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:> From jono@webspun.com Mon Mar 02 08:50:57 1998 Received: from axon.axnet.com (axon.axnet.com [207.252.104.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id IAA08192 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:50:54 -0600 (CST) X-ROUTED: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:53:34 -0600 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Jono Received: from [207.252.105.22] [207.252.105.22] by axon.axnet.com with smtp id AIDFBAAN ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:53:20 -0600 Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21573] MY Turn; Bad Business GPS Company? Date: Mon, 2 Mar 98 08:53:52 -0600 x-sender: jono@popmail.webspun.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Jon Ogden To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: > >Someone gave me a web-site to look at a few weeks ago. > >On one of the sites, I read something concerning one of the GPS companys >was putting a " limiter " into their units, to KEEP it/them from being used >in aircraft. > >What company was that?! > >I will NOT be buying a GPS unit from THAT company! The older Garmin GPS receivers (GPS-38, etc) that used the 8 channel sequential receivers had their altitude display stop at some height I believe. I think this was due to likely software or hardware limitations. The newer units with 12 channel parallel receivers don't have any problem. I've had mine up to 32,000 feet a few weeks ago! 73, Jon KE9NA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Ogden jono@webspun.com www.qsl.net/ke9na "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." From e2964@yahoo.com Mon Mar 02 08:50:58 1998 Received: from send1a.yahoomail.com (send1a.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.22]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id IAA08205 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:50:56 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980302145015.5107.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.1.105.101] by send1a; Mon, 02 Mar 1998 06:50:15 PST Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 06:50:15 -0800 (PST) From: E Pessoa Subject: how to unsubscribe? To: aprssig@tapr.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey! Does anybody knows how to unsubscribe from aprssig? For some reason I am getting mail I am not interested in (aprssig). Thanks. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From jeffb@espi.com Mon Mar 02 08:55:08 1998 Received: from mork.stans.com (mork.stans.com [209.42.7.15]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id IAA08368 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:55:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from dial52.stans.com (dial52.stans.com [209.42.7.152]) by mork.stans.com (NTMail 3.03.0013/1.ab4a) with ESMTP id ta162961 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:55:17 -0600 Message-ID: <34FAC822.5283@espi.com> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 08:54:26 -0600 From: Jeff Brenton Reply-To: jeffb@espi.com Organization: Engineered Software Products, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aprssig Subject: APRS web problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I mentioned to a Netscape guru that there were a number of complaints about Netscape 4.04 and JavAPRS, and his response was, "Known problem, 4.04 is screwy. Just like the problem you had with 3.03 and forms a few months ago." [the reference to 3.03 and forms was that it would not fill out web forms properly] He wasn't clear on which versions of NS4 did NOT have this problem, though. Sorry! -- Jeff Brenton, Ham radio call KA9VNV http://www.espi.com Questionable web page: http://www.dididahdahdidit.com Covert supporter of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (tm) From kb2ear@orn.com Mon Mar 02 10:03:05 1998 Received: from linux.kb2ear.overleaf.com (root@cc1005145-a.ebnsk1.nj.home.com [24.3.216.45]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id KAA12928 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:03:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from pc.kb2ear.overleaf.com([192.168.1.2]) (1947 bytes) by linux.kb2ear.overleaf.com via smtpd with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:03:02 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #1 built 1997-Dec-21) Message-ID: <00af01bd45f4$ada12d80$0201a8c0@pc.kb2ear.overleaf.com> From: "Scott Weis" To: , Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21578] Re: MY Turn; Bad Business GPS Company? Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:02:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Most of the old Garmin units would not read speeds above 99 knots. That was to keep them from being used in aircraft. Most of the new units I have looked at don't have this problem any more. 73, Scott -----Original Message----- From: Jon Ogden To: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Monday, March 02, 1998 10:15 AM Subject: [APRSSIG:21578] Re: MY Turn; Bad Business GPS Company? >> >>Someone gave me a web-site to look at a few weeks ago. >> >>On one of the sites, I read something concerning one of the GPS companys >>was putting a " limiter " into their units, to KEEP it/them from being used >>in aircraft. >> >>What company was that?! >> >>I will NOT be buying a GPS unit from THAT company! > >The older Garmin GPS receivers (GPS-38, etc) that used the 8 channel >sequential receivers had their altitude display stop at some height I >believe. I think this was due to likely software or hardware >limitations. The newer units with 12 channel parallel receivers don't >have any problem. I've had mine up to 32,000 feet a few weeks ago! > >73, > >Jon >KE9NA > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Jon Ogden > >jono@webspun.com > >www.qsl.net/ke9na > > >"A life lived in fear is a life half lived." > > > > From rwf@BSRG.org Mon Mar 02 10:27:18 1998 Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id KAA14479 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:27:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from rwf.mindspring.com (user-38lcdab.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.53.75]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA19062 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:27:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803021627.LAA19062@camel7.mindspring.com> X-Sender: rwf@mail.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 11:15:18 -0500 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: rwf Subject: correction about Microburst Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I need to correct my earlier message about Aeris (Microburst) and (BellSouth) Cellemetry. Aeris *is* another provider of cellular control link data transmission. They manipulate the MIN, not the ESN. Cellemetry manipulates the ESN (which is legal because the FCC approved it to be done for this service) BellSouth sold the rights to Cellemetry last Friday to a group of investors in New York. They are the same folks who own Uplink. As far as I know, no one is yet using Cellemetry for vehicle location, and it looks like ATXS decided to use Aeris. Aeris's "cutesy" name for their form of "Cellemetry" must be "Microburst". The market's still open for a "Cellemetry" provider of vehicle location, guys! Ralph http://BSRG.org APRS ATV Repeaters and BBQ ! From rwf@BSRG.org Mon Mar 02 10:27:19 1998 Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id KAA14481 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:27:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from rwf.mindspring.com (user-38lcdab.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.53.75]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA09086 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:27:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803021627.LAA09086@camel7.mindspring.com> X-Sender: rwf@mail.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 11:19:11 -0500 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: rwf Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21567] Re: MICRO BURST In-Reply-To: <19980228.060846.9374.57.KD4NOQ@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" No, not exactly. That is purely cellular voice/modem based. We are talking about something different: "hiding" the data with in the data that is exchanged on the control channel. Anyone can make a cellular modem transmit data during or after a voice call, this is not that. KD4NOQ wrote: >Cadillac already has this in there ON-Star sys. From joe.lagreek@edwardjones.com Mon Mar 02 10:54:58 1998 Received: from nspapmdf-1.edwardjones.com (nspapmdf-1.edwardjones.com [204.167.176.71]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id KAA16167 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:54:57 -0600 (CST) From: joe.lagreek@edwardjones.com Message-Id: <199803021654.KAA16167@tapr.org> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 10:54:35 -0600 Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21581] Re: MY Turn; Bad Business GPS Company? In-reply-to: <00af01bd45f4$ada12d80$0201a8c0@pc.kb2ear.overleaf.com> To: aprssig@tapr.org MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; name=Message_Body; charset=US-ASCII Content-disposition: INLINE; FILENAME=Message_Body Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Any electronics used in an aircraft must meet strict FAA requirements. The hand held units that we use used are geared for marine and land use. All avionics require much more protection, shielding and accuracy than those used in other services. My brother is a pilot and always complains about the cost of his gear vs ham and other commercial / non aircraft gear. The radios used in aircraft cost about 4 times more than comparable commercial gear because of these requirements. Remember they have to work in a broad temperature range, have protection against lighting, static electricity, and be shielded to prevent interference with other systems. 73 de N0OTM > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Ogden > To: aprssig@tapr.org > Date: Monday, March 02, 1998 10:15 AM > Subject: [APRSSIG:21578] Re: MY Turn; Bad Business GPS Company? > > > >> > >>Someone gave me a web-site to look at a few weeks ago. > >> > >>On one of the sites, I read something concerning one of the GPS companys > >>was putting a " limiter " into their units, to KEEP it/them from being > used > >>in aircraft. > >> > >>What company was that?! > >> > >>I will NOT be buying a GPS unit from THAT company! > > > >The older Garmin GPS receivers (GPS-38, etc) that used the 8 channel > >sequential receivers had their altitude display stop at some height I > >believe. I think this was due to likely software or hardware > >limitations. The newer units with 12 channel parallel receivers don't > >have any problem. I've had mine up to 32,000 feet a few weeks ago! > > > >73, > > > >Jon > >KE9NA > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >Jon Ogden > > > >jono@webspun.com > > > >www.qsl.net/ke9na > > > > > >"A life lived in fear is a life half lived." > > > > > > > > Joe LaGreek Information Systems Edward Jones 201 Progress Parkway Maryland Heights, MO 63043 Phone: (314) 515-2721 Fax: (314) 515-4659 E-mail: joe.lagreek@edwardjones.com From w1eo@gw.ri.ultranet.com Mon Mar 02 11:36:13 1998 Received: from qso.kd1ca.ampr.org (qso.kd1ca.ampr.org [44.104.8.99]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id LAA18786 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:36:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from w1eo.ampr.org by gw.ri.ultranet.com (MFNOS 1.26) with SMTP id MAA52699 ; Mon, 02 Mar 1998 12:34:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 98 13:02:10 UTC Message-Id: <22218@gw.ri.ultranet.com> From: w1eo@gw.ri.ultranet.com ("DoC" Dave Willard) Reply-To: w1eo@gw.ri.ultranet.com To: aprssig%tapr.org@switch.woonri Subject: BostonMA QSY X-Mailer: Bdale's Mailer version PA3AZK.940404 (MSDOS) At an all-hands APRS meeting in Boston on Saturday 28 February it was decided that we would make the QSY to 144.39 from 144.79 on 3 May 1998. This leaway gives the digipeater/node operators a chance to purchase needed devices and for the snow to melt on some of the mountains. It also allows the AMers on 144.40 Mhz to complete their (3rd) QSY. This move will affect the stations in the Greater Boston area and NH and Southern VT. We know of no stations in ME but presume any that appear would follow. We understand CT and RI were waiting to see what we did Saturday. Perhaps they will post their plans subsequently. 73 DoC, W1EO@gw.ri.ultranet.com sysop @ w1on.ma.usa.noam, switch.bedford [44.56.4.1] and Boston APRS GATEway. Data provider to NADSD-TAPR for New England (CT,NH,MA,ME,RI,VT) From jeffk@jeffk.com Mon Mar 02 11:50:59 1998 Received: from jeffk.com (jeffk.com [205.149.189.21]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id LAA19499 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:50:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from kh6juz.jeffk.com (mg137-007.ricochet.net [204.179.137.7]) by jeffk.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA21086; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:51:14 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980302095034.00892590@jeffk.com> X-Sender: jeffk@jeffk.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:50:34 -0800 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: "Jeffrey Komori - KH6JUZ" Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21584] Re: MY Turn; Bad Business GPS Company? Cc: joe.lagreek@edwardjones.com In-Reply-To: <199803021654.KAA16167@tapr.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:55 AM 3/2/98 -0600, you wrote: >Any electronics used in an aircraft must meet strict FAA requirements. ... >73 de N0OTM You are confusing TSO'd permanently installed avionics as opposed to handheld equipment. The only real difference between handheld GPS units made for maritime, back-packing, mobile vehicular, and aviation use is its database. The main reason that aviation handheld units are so much more expensive than their earthbound counterparts is that it has the Jeppeson database (which any pilot knows is expensive, in electronic form or paper form). 73, Jeffrey Komori, KH6JUZ Member Technical Committee Baker to Vegas Challenge Cup Relay Fremont / Union City / Alameda County / Temple Station _________________________________________________________________________ 264 North Whisman Road #16, Mountain View, CA 94043-3930 MCSE KH6JUZ PP-ASEL mailto:jeffk@jeffk.com http://www.jeffk.com/jeffk.html _________________________________________________________________________ KH6JUZ Enterprise [web hosting for]: http://www.baker-to-vegas.org/ B-to-V Challenge Cup Relay, APRS Support http://www.borlase.com/ Charles Borlase Enterprise http://www.esperanto.org/ Esperanto - The International Language http://www.hawastsoc.org/ Hawaiian Astronomical Society http://www.hpcug.org/ Hawaii PC Users Group http://www.jeffk.com/ Jeff Komori's Info-Superhighway Reststop http://www.pclg.org/ Presbyterian Church of Los Gatos http://www.pdarrl.org/ Pacific Division of the ARRL http://www.recdotaviation.org/ Usenet's rec.aviation Goes to Reno http://www.svnpa.org/ Silicon Valley Network Prof. Assoc. http://www.unixguy.com/ Rob Scott - The Unix Guy http://www.smxgig.org/ The Annual AVSIG Santa Maria(SMX) Fly-in __________________________________________________________________________ From z004391b@bc.seflin.org Mon Mar 02 11:52:48 1998 Received: from bc.seflin.org (z004391b@bc.seflin.org [199.227.192.20]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id LAA19576 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:52:46 -0600 (CST) Received: (from z004391b@localhost) by bc.seflin.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA10844; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:52:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:52:17 -0500 (EST) From: John W Wilson Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21526] Re: GPS candidates To: Mark Fellhauer cc: aprssig@tapr.org In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980301040937.007cb540@pop.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sounds like a tough neighborhood. John W. Wilson, KN4HX z004391b@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, Mark Fellhauer wrote: > At 01:10 AM 3/1/98 -0600, Wes Johnston wrote: > > >The tripmate is my pick for trackers. One guy i know of doesn't like the > >idea of a "cute yellow" box sitting on his dash waiting to be stolen, so he > >shoves it in a burger king bag that's crinkled shut on one end.... looks > >like a messy car!!! > > That would be gone from my car in 20 minutes in Phoenix! Car thieves here > know all the tricks. I have an external Paccomm "puck" antenna hidden > under my dashmat right now, and the tiny bump from the oreo cookie sized > antenna is not noticeable. It's a good way to go if you have a GPS engine. > > My GPS-36 may be painted blue to match my car's plastic (or covered in blue > fabric) and placed on the rear seat sholder restraint mount in the > hatchback boot. It's not noticeable at all (even now when it's shocking > white) under the tinted back window in that spot. Plus it has a really > good view of the sky there. > > My car was broken into last August, the first night of my vacation to SoDak > (KB0WSV's wedding). I assume someone in my Condo complex knew I was > leaving (sad, but true) and decided to check out what I had in there. > Everyone around here knows I'm the kook who carries a Glock, and it's not a > good idea to break into my car when I'm around. > > Fortunately, I'd removed ALL the electronics from inside my car. They > didn't take anything of value, including my Diamond NR7700 antenna, a $40 > pair of Jones sunglasses, or my digital tire pressure guage. But they did > take my manilla folder of TBARC WestFest flyers (!) sitting under the front > passenger seat. Kinda a lot of work, breaking out my driver's side window > and throwing it into the flood-lot, just to steal a packet of hamfest > flyers. > > Now I just have to figure out the best way to hide some sort of antenna for > my APRS transceiver. Anyone know of a good stealth antenna that works > reasonably well? > > 73, > > Mark > KC7BXS > > > From NH7C@aol.com Mon Mar 02 12:56:59 1998 Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.37]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id MAA01588 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:56:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from NH7C@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id HXYHa03502 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:54:40 -0500 (EST) From: NH7C Message-ID: <122b4807.34fb0072@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:54:40 EST To: aprssig@tapr.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 1998 APRS EYEBALL questions. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 Hello to all: It's time to start firming up plans for the 1998 APRS EYEBALL at the Dayton Hamvention. As always, the APRS EYEBALL will be held on the Saturday night of Hamvention, 16MAY98. Due to my move away from the Beavercreek EYEBALL location, last year's EYEBALL was moved to a local pizza restaurant. Bob, WB8CXN was the force behind the meeting at Marion's Pizza last year. I need the help of the people that are going to attend the EYEBALL this year. I need to know what type of place to hold the EYEBALL at this year. A few questions need to be answered: The original idea for the EYEBALL was to have a simple, non-confrontational atmosphere to meet and mingle with APRS friends. Each year there seems to be more and more of a meeting atmosphere at the EYEBALL. I have received some comments from some folks asking for a return to the original idea. What format should the 1998 APRS EYEBALL have? Social event or hold a meeting? Did you like the last year's Pizza EYEBALL? How would you improve the EYEBALL at Hamvention? If we moved the EYEBALL to a meeting hall, how much would you "donate" to help pay for the rental? (Donations for food and beverages have usually covered all costs in the past) Are you going to Hamvention? Will you be at the EYEBALL? Remember, TAPR and the Miami Valley FM Association sponsor the "TAPR Packet Bash" on Friday night of Hamvention. More information about the Packet Bash can be found at: http://www.tapr.org/tapr/html/dayton.html Any input is appreciated. Thank you, Sid NH7C/W8 NH7C@aol.com MEMBER OH19 TAWG - TRISTATE APRS WORLKING GROUP (OH, IN, KY) From k4hg@tapr.org Mon Mar 02 13:11:00 1998 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (hd7-139.hil.compuserve.com [206.175.198.139]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id NAA02437 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:10:57 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199803021910.NAA02437@tapr.org> Subject: Messages from APRServe Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:11:07 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Steve Dimse K4HG To: "aprssig" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I put a new version of APRServe up last night, which includes all the code needed to do the IGating. One of the new features didn't get toggled on the software switch I put in to activate it... When you connect to APRServe, it classifies you as either Unknown, which is a version of the program that does not support the logon protocol, Unverified, meaning an unregistered user of the program, or verified. Unknown or Unverified users get messages explaining their status. Due to a communications error between myself and Mark Sproul, version 2.1.2 of WinAPRS and 3.1.2 of MacAPRS went out the door without the full registration protocol, so that even if you are a registered user the program reports you as unverified. This causes no problem now. An Unverified user still has full access to the internet side of the system, which is all that is active now. When the system goes live there will be a new version of Mac/WinAPRS. Steve K4HG From rwf@BSRG.org Mon Mar 02 13:21:22 1998 Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id NAA02949 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:21:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from rwf.mindspring.com (user-38lcbah.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.45.81]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA15138 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:21:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803021921.OAA15138@camel8.mindspring.com> X-Sender: rwf@mail.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 14:15:08 -0500 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: rwf Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21586] Re: MY Turn; Bad Business GPS Company? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980302095034.00892590@jeffk.com> References: <199803021654.KAA16167@tapr.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" And add to that what the Marketing Manager of Garmin (at least the one they had 2 years ago) told me *in person*. He said that they would not be removing the speed limit on the marine and hand held units (the 45 was the popular hand held at the time) because they were scared of a lawsuit from "some cheap pilot who flew into a mountain because he didn't want to spend the $$ on the GPS90". The GPS90 was the aviation version of the 45 without the limit and with some limited plug in approach data, I think. I told him that the market would speak to that issue. I guess it did ;-) Ralph http://BSRG.org APRS ATV Repeaters BBQ Jeff Komori wrote: >You are confusing TSO'd permanently installed avionics as opposed to >handheld equipment. The only real difference between handheld GPS units >made for maritime, back-packing, mobile vehicular, and aviation use is its >database. The main reason that aviation handheld units are so much more >expensive than their earthbound counterparts is that it has the Jeppeson >database (which any pilot knows is expensive, in electronic form or paper >form). From bruninga@nadn.navy.mil Mon Mar 02 13:30:58 1998 Received: from arctic.nadn.navy.mil (arctic.nadn.navy.mil [131.121.8.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id NAA03479 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:30:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (bruninga@localhost) by arctic.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA22784; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:29:33 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.nadn.navy.mil: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:29:33 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: "J. S Ratchford" cc: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21575] Hoot'n Hollerin APRS digi In-Reply-To: <19980302.081059.7086.1.kc5jgv@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Did you ever send me back those maps? :-) On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, J. S Ratchford wrote: > This is to announce the addition of a nother APRS digi to be in place > soon in Branson, MO. This digi will be up sometime before May on the new > 144.390 freq. This will be third TRACE digi installed in this area > bringing to total to 4 in North Central Arkansas. All our digis will QSY > to 144.390 in the next 60 days. The name of the new digi will be BRANSON. > Although I may change that to BALD KNOBBERS. > > Anyhoo, anyone travelling to Branson this summer will have an APRS digi > available to them. This digi will also be one hop away from a 2m/6m > gateway. > > 73 > > J. Scott Ratchford - KC5JGV - ARES EC Searcy County, AR > F.&A.M. Calf Creek Lodge #426 > email: kc5jgv@juno.com > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > APRSdos REPLY/COMMENT: Reply mail addr: wb4apr@amsat.org US mail address: 115 old Farm Ct, Glen Burnie, MD 21060 See DAYTON97 HISTORY: http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/dayton.html See Maryland APRS LIVE: http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/aprs.html See GPS on ANY radio: http://www.tapr.org/tapr/html/mic-e.html From jreinh@ix.netcom.com Mon Mar 02 13:41:39 1998 Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id NAA04394 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:41:37 -0600 (CST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA28193 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:41:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from tok-ca1-20.ix.netcom.com(204.32.200.52) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma028100; Mon Mar 2 13:40:44 1998 Message-ID: <34FB0ACD.779A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 11:38:53 -0800 From: Jeff Reinhardt Reply-To: jreinh@ix.netcom.com Organization: Impossible Mission Force X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: APRS expert near St. George, UT? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a friend who has recently relocated to the area near St. George, Utah. She is a packet enthusiast and user of many years but she has no expertise in APRS. She would like a speaker to come and address the club on the merits of APRS. According to her, the club does not want to devote much energy to digital because its popularity is perceived as fading. Can anyone on the sig help out? The dividend on the effort might be the addition of some much-needed coverage in Utah. Responses on this item should be addressed to me, not the SIG. Thanks & 73, Jeff AA6JR From kd4emi@juno.com Mon Mar 02 14:11:48 1998 Received: from m1.boston.juno.com (m1.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.199]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id OAA06164; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:11:43 -0600 (CST) Received: (from kd4emi@juno.com) by m1.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id PJK14625; Mon, 02 Mar 1998 15:08:44 EST To: garnold@naples.net Cc: APRSSIG@tapr.org, APRS-FL@tapr.org Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:04:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [APRS-FL:1851] SFL Freq. change Message-ID: <19980302.150425.8542.1.kd4emi@juno.com> References: <34FAD0C5.1A23@naples.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-5,7-12,14-41 From: kd4emi@juno.com (Michael A Kantor) KD4EMI-3 has moved to the new freq. I believe the only way to go is to just move over and people are starting to follow here. We have a couple stations here on 144.39 with me. I invite anyone who wants, lets start moving over..its still kinda quiet there, but fun.. come 'on down... Mike On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:40:34 -0600 (CST) Gary Arnold writes: >I realize that the Tampa Bay area has moved to 144.39, but when is the >Dade/Broward/Palm Beach area planning to move? Sarasota? Charlotte? >We can move fairly easily, but there's no sense if those we can reach >aren't going at the same time. > >April 1? Before? After? > >73, >Gary >-- >Gary Arnold, CEM >Collier County Emergency Management >E-mail: garnold@naples.net > gary.arnold@worldnet.att.net >Packet: wb2wpa@wb2wpa.#nap.fl.usa.noam > >EM home page: "http://www.collierem.org/" >My home page: "http://www.collierem.org/garnold.htm" > > ------------- > >"Windows 95: n., 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a >16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a >4 bit microprocessor system, written by a 2 bit company that >can't stand 1 bit of competition." > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From kd4emi@juno.com Mon Mar 02 14:22:46 1998 Received: from m1.boston.juno.com (m1.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.199]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id OAA07372 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:22:44 -0600 (CST) Received: (from kd4emi@juno.com) by m1.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id PQI14625; Mon, 02 Mar 1998 15:21:32 EST To: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:17:22 -0500 Subject: WIN CE SOFTWARE Message-ID: <19980302.151725.8542.4.kd4emi@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-7 From: kd4emi@juno.com (Michael A Kantor) I sent a note to kantronics asking that in the new pacterm software, that they make a box for sending aprs msgs with compatible aprs syntax, so when we drive around (since no WINCE APRS is out yet) we can easily talk to our aprs friends with a minimum of hassle.. MIke KD4EMI@JUNO.COM _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From kd4emi@juno.com Mon Mar 02 14:36:07 1998 Received: from m1.boston.juno.com (m1.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.199]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id OAA08168; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:36:04 -0600 (CST) Received: (from kd4emi@juno.com) by m1.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id PZU14625; Mon, 02 Mar 1998 15:34:46 EST To: BordingK@aol.com Cc: aprssig@tapr.org, aprs-fl@tapr.org Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:30:08 -0500 Subject: QSY on or about 15 March 98. Message-ID: <19980302.153008.8542.6.kd4emi@juno.com> References: <8eef8f0f.34fb1107@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4,7,9-10,13-14,16-18,23-28,30-37 From: kd4emi@juno.com (Michael A Kantor) I dont read CQ mag... I do read the APRS sig I ve been watching the rest of the country send msgs about the qsy, everyone is going over. Now is as good a time as any. If you can move, then the more that hop over the better. Sure there will be some areas that will be disabled, but it is only a hobby. God forbid an emergency required me on the old freq, I could find a way to do it. It is good to check out the new freq early, especially if you need to see if your equipment operates ok on the new freq! I had to solve an overload problem on my digi. Some of us cant get access to our digi's easily , so we switch them when we can. For me that was last week.. Im not paranoid (did you just hear something, no maybe its my imagination, or maybe its the crew, (twitch) - they've been plotting against me -(twitch) ...Im sure of it....(twitch) - they were talking about mutiny....(Twitch)-- they are all out to get me--haha hoho he he (twitch) Mike On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:09:39 -0600 (CST) BordingK writes: >Well, I've be sitting here reading all the messages from the far >corners of >Florida. Must say, I'm a little disappointed in the apparent display >of >animosity, paranoia, and insecurity. > >Yes, Northeast FL to QSY on or about 15 March 98. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From mpetz@ccm.stlcc.cc.mo.us Mon Mar 02 14:50:55 1998 Received: from ccm.stlcc.cc.mo.us (ccm.stlcc.cc.mo.us [198.209.221.106]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id OAA09044 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:50:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from MPetz.stlcc.cc.mo.us ([198.209.221.150]) by ccm.stlcc.cc.mo.us (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-13191) with SMTP id AAA160 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:44:43 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19980302145044.81bf966c@ccm.stlcc.cc.mo.us> X-Sender: mpetz@ccm.stlcc.cc.mo.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: aprssig@tapr.org From: mpetz@ccm.stlcc.cc.mo.us (Micheal Petz) Subject: Re: DGPS Rx Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:44:43 -0600 Does anyone have the names (and phone numbers and/or URL's) for companies that make DGPS receivers and antennas. Also, please include the names and numbers for the outlet stores that would sell these units mail order. Thanks in advance Michael Petz KA9HNT mpetz@ccm.stlcc.cc.mo.us From schiers@netins.net Mon Mar 02 14:55:47 1998 Received: from ins3.netins.net (ins3.netins.net [167.142.225.3]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id OAA09250 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:55:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from netins.net (desm-28-30.dialup.netins.net [167.142.23.159]) by ins3.netins.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA25543; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:53:57 -0600 Message-ID: <34FAC778.5F95E8A6@netins.net> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 08:51:36 -0600 From: hasan schiers Reply-To: schiers@netins.net Organization: Mainstream Living Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kd4dla@amsat.org CC: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21531] Re: APRS on a web page References: <34F9626C.287EF88C@netins.net> <34FAB115.7EB7@amsat.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not the problem. There are some strange variations in NS Communicator...some crash on this page, some don't...it's not the setup, it's a peculiarity to the particular install of NS and the hardware/software installed. I've seen it before. All my other java pages work perfectly. 73 James Clay French KD4DLA wrote: > hasan schiers wrote: > > > > Ray J. Vaughan wrote: > > > > > You might remember a few days ago I asked about how I can include APRS on my > > > web page. Well, thanks to Steve Dimse K4HG, I'm now up and running with my > > > very own personalized APRS map showing my house and car. > > > > > > This is neat. If you haven't given it a try, please do. If you want to see > > > an example: http://www.gate.net/~rvaughan/finding.htm > > > > It doesn't work for me...in fact it causes NS 4.04 to crash and burn. I get a > > blank javAPRS map, indication that java applet is running and then a nice big > > crash of Netscape Communicator 4.04. Reliably repeated this failure 3 times, so > > something is on that page the NS 4.04 does NOT like. 73 and as always YMMV. > > -- > > hasan, N0AN > > > > schiers@netins.net > I use Netscape Navigater Gold and have found to run any page that has > JavaAPRS, you have to go under "OPTIONS" and click "Show Java Console". > You'll get a box showing what Java programs are running. I click the > "Clear" box,which clear the Java Console of any Applets that are loaded > there. You have to do this just after starting to load the page(s) > otherwise it will crash. At least that my cure so far. I had the same > problems till i started doing this. > > Hope this helps out. > > James KD4DLA > SouthEast Michigan AMSAT Net Control -- hasan, N0AN schiers@netins.net From kd4emi@juno.com Mon Mar 02 15:27:59 1998 Received: from m1.boston.juno.com (m1.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.199]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id PAA11282 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:27:58 -0600 (CST) Received: (from kd4emi@juno.com) by m1.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id Q{L14625; Mon, 02 Mar 1998 16:26:59 EST To: sproul@ap.org Cc: APRSSIG@tapr.org Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:21:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21594] WIN CE SOFTWARE Message-ID: <19980302.162257.14430.0.kd4emi@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-20 From: kd4emi@juno.com (Michael A Kantor) Who loves ya baby !! MIKE Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:49:12 -0500 Mark Sproul writes: > > >I hope to have WinCE by Dayton, as SOON as the compiler is available, I will be working on it night and day >Mark > >__________________________________________________________________________ >Mark Sproul |Amateur Radio: KB2ICI >Software Engineer @ Assoc Press | >sproul@ap.org |Work: 609-860-7120 >North Brunswick, NJ |Fax: 609-860-7129 >http://msproul.rutgers.edu/ >__________________________________________________________________________ > > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From pk@ij.net Mon Mar 02 15:42:35 1998 Received: from solomon (solomon.ij.net [207.22.166.254]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id PAA12124 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:42:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from [207.223.219.153] by solomon (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id sa717930 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:41:40 -0500 Message-ID: <007501bd4624$ea437ba0$99dbdfcf@pknupke.tdts.com> From: "Paul E. Knupke, Jr." To: Subject: Fw: Weather Station Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:48:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3007.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3007.0 I am forwarding the following message... please reply to Dana K4LK = direct at k4lk@gte.net ... Thanks 73 - Paul -----Original Message----- From: Dana Rodakis To: ARES remailer Date: Monday, March 02, 1998 3:03 PM Subject: Weather Station >I am shopping for a weather station. Does anyone have any opinions >about the Radio Shack WX-200? A similarly equipped Peet U-2000 >would cost just over $600 (379$ for the U-2000, 90$ for the rain gauge, >110$ for the outdoor humidity sensor, and 20$ for the serial cable). >Is the WX-200 accurate enough? What kind of serial interface=20 >connector does it have? > >Thanks for any opinions. Please respond to k4lk@gte.net >Dana Rodakis, K4LK > > From rvaughan@gate.net Mon Mar 02 16:24:32 1998 Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (root@chickasaw.gate.net [198.206.134.26]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id QAA14407 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:24:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from ray_nt (miafl5-24.gate.net [199.227.169.24]) by chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA94596; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:23:35 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980302222419.009c8cac@pop.gate.net> X-Sender: rvaughan@pop.gate.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 17:24:19 -0500 To: k4lk@gte.net From: Ray Vaughan Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21599] Fw: Weather Station Cc: aprssig@tapr.org I have a Davis at my main repeater site and I love it... but then again I got it for only $75 at the Melboure Hamfest about 2 or 3 years ago. It's ability to store data is great. Actually helped me keep the site... gave the building owners the information they needed about putting up a wind generator. It works with the DOS APRS just fine. I call up via modem once a week and download the buffer to the hard drive. Its only locked up once on me... that may have been a lightning hit. I did add a lot of my own cable and a surge suppressor. I got my mom a RS station about 6 months ago. So far, it's pretty good. Both are light duty... but I think the RS unit is priced right. For what you get the Davis and Peets are just too much. They want you to think they're heavy duty, but they're all plastic and use cheap phone cable for the downlead. Right now, only the WIN APRS will work with the RS. DOS is in the works. The RS looks like the Davis, but I think I heard it was made by Ohio Insturments. Watch the version of the RS. The current ones have a sticker that says there's 30' of cable and it can't be extended. There's supposed to be a new one soon that won't have limitation. The best thing about the RS is that it is complete for that price... no extras like the other two. If the other two wake up and lower their prices to come closer to the RS unit, then I could recomend it. Hope this helps a bit... Ray, KD4BBM At 03:47 PM 3/2/98 -0600, you wrote: >I am forwarding the following message... please reply to Dana K4LK direct at k4lk@gte.net ... > >Thanks 73 - Paul > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dana Rodakis >To: ARES remailer >Date: Monday, March 02, 1998 3:03 PM >Subject: Weather Station > > >>I am shopping for a weather station. Does anyone have any opinions >>about the Radio Shack WX-200? A similarly equipped Peet U-2000 >>would cost just over $600 (379$ for the U-2000, 90$ for the rain gauge, >>110$ for the outdoor humidity sensor, and 20$ for the serial cable). >>Is the WX-200 accurate enough? What kind of serial interface >>connector does it have? >> >>Thanks for any opinions. Please respond to k4lk@gte.net >>Dana Rodakis, K4LK >> >> > > From k4hg@tapr.org Mon Mar 02 17:54:04 1998 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (hd26-141.hil.compuserve.com [206.175.217.141]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id RAA19116 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:54:00 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199803022354.RAA19116@tapr.org> Subject: Messages from APRServe Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:54:11 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Steve Dimse K4HG To: "aprssig" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" This message was by someone, so I will resend it in case others also did not receive it. Forgive the waste of bandwidth. I put a new version of APRServe up last night, which includes all the code needed to do the IGating. One of the new features didn't get toggled on the software switch I put in to activate it... When you connect to APRServe, it classifies you as either Unknown, which is a version of the program that does not support the logon protocol, Unverified, meaning an unregistered user of the program, or verified. Unknown or Unverified users get messages explaining their status. Due to a communications error between myself and Mark Sproul, version 2.1.2 of WinAPRS and 3.1.2 of MacAPRS went out the door without the full registration protocol, so that even if you are a registered user the program reports you as unverified. This causes no problem now. An Unverified user still has full access to the internet side of the system, which is all that is active now. When the system goes live there will be a new version of Mac/WinAPRS. Steve K4HG From bdover@greeceny.com Mon Mar 02 18:10:43 1998 Received: from greeceny.com (ppp-111.monroe.edu [199.190.222.111]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id SAA19943 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:10:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from greeceny.com (roc-ny5-05.ix.netcom.com [207.93.142.69]) by greeceny.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA09362 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:10:39 -0500 Message-ID: <34FB90BD.CAB0AAAB@greeceny.com> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 00:10:21 -0500 From: "B. Dover" Reply-To: bdover@greeceny.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: APRS SIG Subject: APRS on HF, how? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm beginning to think about APRS on HF. Obviously (?) FM is not used. So do I assume that sideband is the mode, and the TNC sends the audio through the mic jack? Is HF APRS done at 300 baud or 1200 baud? Is there a list of HF frequencies for APRS? How does one set one's U-PATH? What type of transceiver and TNC do you use? Questions questions...always questions :o) Regards, Ev, K2IV From kd4moj@kd4moj.org Mon Mar 02 18:22:26 1998 Received: from kd4moj.org (kd4moj.org [199.44.117.30]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id SAA20569 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:22:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from doug.supernet.net (tlh36.supernet.net [199.44.25.101]) by kd4moj.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA30862 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:12:12 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980302190827.00712ca4@kd4moj.org> X-Sender: kd4moj@kd4moj.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 19:08:27 -0500 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: Doug Ferrell Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21455] Re: www.aprs.net down? In-Reply-To: <199802270012.SAA18135@tapr.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:15 PM 2/26/98 -0600, you wrote: >On 2/26/98 4:05 PM Earl Needham (kd5xb@amsat.org) wrote: > >A reminder to all. There is another fully functional APRServe site, which >is fully crosslinked with the Miami site. There is also now a good >secondary nameserver, so that the other server will remain reachable even >when Miami is completely down... > >ilnorth.aprs.net Except this is frequent on that server: Error: 400 - Server is not accepting connections The server is not accepting connections. Try again later. --------------- Haven't had that response on your steve! ...DOUG kd4moj +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Doug Ferrell Voice (904) 575-7119 | | kd4moj@kd4moj.org, http://www.kd4moj.org Fax (904) 575-6577 | | Amateur Radio & Television (ATV), APRS APRS 145.790 Mhz | _| 3027.27N / 08420.80W Tallahassee Florida 131.8 CTCSS 444.400 Mhz |_ From msandss@po.jah.or.jp Mon Mar 02 18:26:25 1998 Received: from po.jah.ne.jp (0@cosmo.jah.ne.jp [210.162.2.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id SAA20721 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:26:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from [210.162.2.189] (dp0189.jah.ne.jp [210.162.2.189]) by po.jah.ne.jp (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta9/3.6W-jahgw98010516) with ESMTP id JAA04522 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:26:19 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:27:58 +0900 To: APRS SIG From: Matthew Stennett Subject: New ICOM IC-746; ON AIR @ 7J6CAT, Tokyo I am happy to announce the fact that I now posess a new ICOM IC-746. It works like a charm, and I have it wired and on for a week-long BURN test. *let's hope it doesn't BURN. Whenever the HF bands are open, anyone/everyone is welcome to request a particular band for us to try. 73 de Tokyo MacRatt Matt; 7J6CAT/1 The ONLY APRS station in J-Pan! From weazle@hurontel.on.ca Mon Mar 02 18:28:14 1998 Received: from brigg.hurontel.on.ca (brigg.hurontel.on.ca [205.206.182.7]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id SAA20808 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:28:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [205.206.182.10]) by brigg.hurontel.on.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA22022 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:27:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (dial-137.hurontel.on.ca [205.206.182.137]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA26601 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:36:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:36:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803030036.TAA26601@mail.hurontel.on.ca> X-Sender: weazle@mail.hurontel.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: aprssig@tapr.org From: "J.B. Weazle McCreath" Subject: Fill me in Forgive my ignorance, but what is this WIN CE that has been mentioned so much on the sig lately? I'm running what most would refer to as a Model T for my computer, a lowly 386 with WFW 3.11, but it does what I want it to do fine. 73, Weazle. An alternate e-mail address for me is: ve3ear@rac.ca From kd4moj@kd4moj.org Mon Mar 02 18:33:22 1998 Received: from kd4moj.org (kd4moj.org [199.44.117.30]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id SAA23083 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:33:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from doug.supernet.net (tlh36.supernet.net [199.44.25.101]) by kd4moj.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA30913 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:23:01 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980302192651.00b7c0b4@kd4moj.org> X-Sender: kd4moj@kd4moj.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 19:26:51 -0500 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: Doug Ferrell Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21514] MFJ Data Radio In-Reply-To: <00a501bd44be$397e5ea0$eb2a04d1@homepc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:09 PM 2/28/98 -0600, you wrote: >One of our locals, Joe, KF4LKV, just swapped his 145.79 crystals with 144.39 >crystals and he's up and running without a problem so far. > I ordered one for a test and sent it back (for a replacement). The sensitivity was HALF the published specs (.51uV for 12dB SINAD).... anyone else had this problem? We put it on a Motorola test set and couldn't get it any better.. ...DOUG kd4moj +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Doug Ferrell Voice (904) 575-7119 | | kd4moj@kd4moj.org, http://www.kd4moj.org Fax (904) 575-6577 | | Amateur Radio & Television (ATV), APRS APRS 145.790 Mhz | _| 3027.27N / 08420.80W Tallahassee Florida 131.8 CTCSS 444.400 Mhz |_ From msandss@po.jah.or.jp Mon Mar 02 18:45:09 1998 Received: from po.jah.ne.jp (0@cosmo.jah.ne.jp [210.162.2.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id SAA00490 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:45:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from [210.162.2.189] (dp0155.jah.ne.jp [210.162.2.155]) by po.jah.ne.jp (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta9/3.6W-jahgw98010516) with ESMTP id JAA28036 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:45:02 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:46:41 +0900 To: APRS SIG From: Matthew Stennett Subject: Thanks; IGNORANCE REALIZED; 7J6CAT OK, now that I understand where these GPS units of ours here on APRS stand, I have the following question: I have recently seen a Garmin GPS II that a local Japanese guy @ JARL bought mailorder from W Marine. (no plug intended) I like the maps this thing has, but what about something with INTERNATIONAL use? I believe the GPS II is NOT capable of displaying maps of EVERYWHERE. What about the GPS III? Can it handle maps of J-Pan ? Some web sites to assist in my choice of purchase; GPS please. MacRatt Matt; 7J6CAT/1 The ONLY APRS station in J-Pan! From jeffb@espi.com Mon Mar 02 19:21:46 1998 Received: from mork.stans.com (mork.stans.com [209.42.7.15]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id TAA03492 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:21:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from dial16.stans.com (dial16.stans.com [209.42.7.116]) by mork.stans.com (NTMail 3.03.0013/1.ab4a) with ESMTP id ia163418 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:21:54 -0600 Message-ID: <34FB5B5C.30BD@espi.com> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 19:22:36 -0600 From: Jeff Brenton Reply-To: jeffb@espi.com Organization: Engineered Software Products Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kd4moj@kd4moj.org CC: aprssig Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21606] Re: MFJ Data Radio References: <3.0.2.32.19980302192651.00b7c0b4@kd4moj.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The sensitivity of the MFJ seems to be directly related to the quality of the crystal... and, frankly, the ones MFJ is selling suck. I have one set for 145.79 that won't do better than 9uv (no decimal point!), while the other two sets will do about your .5uv. This is definitely not a radio to be used in a critical application, because it has little selectivity to go with its lack of sensitivity. We will have the three we own retuned for 144.39 (hopefully, they'll do better there), but, any future tracker radios will be Radio Shack HTX-202s at the very least.... not that much more money, they're frequency-agile, have the same power output, are also "true FM", have significantly better sensitivity, and reject out-of-band signals a heck of a lot better! There are also some Standard and Alinco radios being sold at good prices that would be modifiable for trackers... Tech America was selling some Alincos for $88 around the end of last year that, with the addition of an external antenna connection, would make great flea-power trackers. Doug Ferrell wrote: > I ordered one for a test and sent it back (for a replacement). The > sensitivity was HALF the published specs (.51uV for 12dB SINAD). > anyone else had this problem? We put it on a Motorola test set and > couldn't get it any better.. -- Jeff Brenton, Ham Radio call KA9VNV Questionable web page: http://www.dididahdahdidit.com Selling some toys: http://www.espi.com/ForSale.html From jeffb@espi.com Mon Mar 02 19:24:32 1998 Received: from mork.stans.com (mork.stans.com [209.42.7.15]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id TAA03562 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:24:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from dial16.stans.com (dial16.stans.com [209.42.7.116]) by mork.stans.com (NTMail 3.03.0013/1.ab4a) with ESMTP id la163421 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:24:41 -0600 Message-ID: <34FB5C03.2E2A@espi.com> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 19:25:23 -0600 From: Jeff Brenton Reply-To: jeffb@espi.com Organization: Engineered Software Products Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: weazle@hurontel.on.ca CC: aprssig Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21605] Fill me in References: <199803030036.TAA26601@mail.hurontel.on.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > What is Win CE Windows Compact Edition, or WinCE as I like to call it, is a special version of Windows that runs on a RISC processor, designed to be put into glorified data organizers. Some have colour, but all are compact. None will run "real" Windows programs, because they do not have an Intel processor, but it is alleged by Microsoft that, given the right tools and limitations, you can convert most SMALL Windows programs to run on WinCE palmtops. -- Jeff Brenton, Ham Radio call KA9VNV Questionable web page: http://www.dididahdahdidit.com Selling some toys: http://www.espi.com/ForSale.html From kd4rdb@usa.net Mon Mar 02 20:46:41 1998 Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net (dns01.ops.usa.net [204.68.24.137]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id UAA07816 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:46:39 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 19927 invoked by alias); 3 Mar 1998 02:46:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 19903 invoked from network); 3 Mar 1998 02:46:35 -0000 Received: from bg4-187.eagnet.com (HELO kd4rdb.eagnet) (199.76.206.187) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 3 Mar 1998 02:46:35 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980302214626.00efa608@mail.eagnet.com> X-Sender: kd4rdb@mail.eagnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 21:46:35 -0500 To: mpetz@ccm.stlcc.cc.mo.us, aprssig@tapr.org From: Wes Johnston Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21596] Re: DGPS Rx Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" www.dgps.com Micheal Petz wrote: > Does anyone have the names (and phone numbers and/or URL's) for >companies that make DGPS receivers and antennas. Also, please include the >names and numbers for the outlet stores that would sell these units mail order. > Thanks in advance > Michael Petz > KA9HNT > mpetz@ccm.stlcc.cc.mo.us > > Wes Email: mailto:kd4rdb@usa.net EU ax25: mailto:kd4rdb@on1kul-10.ampr.org WEB: http://www.qsl.net/kd4rdb http://www.qsl.net/kd4rdb/aprs.htm ICQ: 273949 Lat/Long: 3209.36N/08109.88W Covert member of the Secret Right Wing Conspiracy. From jono@webspun.com Mon Mar 02 21:42:30 1998 Received: from axon.axnet.com (axon.axnet.com [207.252.104.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id VAA10486 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:42:25 -0600 (CST) X-ROUTED: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:45:06 -0600 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Jono Received: from [207.252.105.176] [207.252.105.176] by axon.axnet.com with smtp id BFCMCOAH ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:44:46 -0600 Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21602] APRS on HF, how? Date: Mon, 2 Mar 98 21:43:34 -0600 x-sender: jono@popmail.webspun.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: Jon Ogden To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: >I'm beginning to think about APRS on HF. Obviously (?) FM is not used. > >So do I assume that sideband is the mode, and the TNC sends the audio >through the mic jack? > >Is HF APRS done at 300 baud or 1200 baud? APRS is done like any other digital mode on HF (RTTY, AMTOR, PACTOR, G-TOR, and especially HF packet!). The radio mode is LSB and the audio is sent in through the mic jack just like you would do on most 2m radios. The baud rate is 300 baud. However, you need to have an HF capable modem such as the Kam Plus or PK-232. HF packet uses different tones for generating its signal than a 300 baud VHF modem would. Most VHF TNCs (ex: TNC-220 or compatible) do support HF packet although, I wouldn't recommend them for that. They really werent' designed for it. The audio filtering is not quite right and it really helps to have a tuning bar graph to properly tune in the Mark/Space signals. > >Is there a list of HF frequencies for APRS? The main frequency is on 30 meters at 10.151.0 MHz LSB. While this looks outside of the amateur band the transmit frequency is acutually inside the band since you are using LSB. > >How does one set one's U-PATH? I typically use a path of GATE,WIDE. This way your packets will be picked up by an HF gateway and gated to VHF and digipeated one hop. > >What type of transceiver and TNC do you use? Any HF transceiver will work. And you can run any power level you want. Again, I would recommend a KAM+ or PK-232 or similar. The Kam+ is my choice. Plus if you use one of these multi-mode TNCs you can enter the world of RTTY, Pactor, etc. which is a LOT of fun. Also, Kantronics TNCs (KAM+) is the only brand that I know of that at this time supports G-TOR. > >Questions questions...always questions :o) There is no such thing as a stupid question. The only stupid question is the one not asked. 73, Jon KE9NA ------------------------------------- Jon Ogden KE9NA http://www.qsl.net/ke9na "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." From kd4emi@juno.com Mon Mar 02 22:32:33 1998 Received: from m1.boston.juno.com (m1.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.199]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id WAA12848 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 22:32:31 -0600 (CST) Received: (from kd4emi@juno.com) by m1.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id XlL14625; Mon, 02 Mar 1998 23:31:44 EST To: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 23:18:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21605] Fill me in Message-ID: <19980302.232710.3870.0.kd4emi@juno.com> References: <199803030036.TAA26601@mail.hurontel.on.ca> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,6-19 From: kd4emi@juno.com (Michael A Kantor) WIN CE is an operating version of windows for palmtop machines. it is similar to WINDOWS 95 in appearence. you probably have seen those little hand held machines about... On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:34:47 -0600 (CST) "J.B. Weazle McCreath" writes: >Forgive my ignorance, but what is this WIN CE that has been mentioned >so much >on the sig lately? I'm running what most would refer to as a Model T >for my >computer, a lowly 386 with WFW 3.11, but it does what I want it to do >fine. > >73, Weazle. > >An alternate e-mail address for me is: ve3ear@rac.ca > > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From tac@clark.net Mon Mar 02 23:12:29 1998 Received: from loas.clark.net (root@loas.clark.net [168.143.0.13]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id XAA14935 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 23:12:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from clark.net (tac.clark.net [168.143.32.123]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA02914; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:12:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34FB90DB.C081DBD9@clark.net> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 05:10:51 +0000 From: "Tom Clark (W3IWI)" Reply-To: tac@clark.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21559] Garmin Info References: <01bd45cc$d34807c0$553479cf@n3nri> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greg Harbaugh (N3NRI) wrote: > > Tom, I think there is one mistake on your lists...the GPS12 and > 12XL are both 12 channel receivers... > Greg Whoops -- Greg is correct. Guess I was typing faster than my brain was working! One difference between the -12 and -12XL is that the 12XL has a connector for an external antenna. A couple of people asked about sources for Garmin handhelds. Personally, I have always recommended one of our fellow amateurs -- Larry James (KG0GB) who has the small business known as James Associates in Boulder -- phone 303-530-9014 or 303-258-0576, or on the web at URL http://www.sni.net/~lwjames/ Larry has always been scrupulously honest and will tell you of any new, upcoming changes that you might want to wait for (last week, for example, he suggested I wait a week before getting a GPSIII since a new firmware version was due imminently). To answer one question I was asked -- Larry shows the StreetPilot at $550 (at http://www.sni.net/~lwjames/GFGPS.html ). According to Larry's web site, the new GPS-48 (12-channel replacement for the GPS-45) has a ROM database with "Comprehensive point database of cities and marine lights in North America". This seems different from the map database for the GPS III described as "Built-in map of highways, lakes, rivers, oceans, cities, and political boundaries for the Americas". Another source with good prices on Garmin, Magellan and most other brands is Defender Marine at URL http://www.DefenderUS.com/ (although their web site seems painfully slooooowww in responding.). 73 de Tom, W3IWI From sparkfel@primenet.com Tue Mar 03 03:19:44 1998 Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id DAA10784 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 03:19:42 -0600 (CST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA24934 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 02:19:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from ip-21-222.phx.primenet.com(206.165.21.222), claiming to be "primenet.primenet.com" via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd024887; Tue Mar 3 02:19:30 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980303021911.008039c0@pop.primenet.com> X-Sender: sparkfel@pop.primenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 02:19:11 -0700 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: Mark Fellhauer Subject: 10 inch SVGA monitors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Here's a URL for the Sony 9.5 inch SVGA monitors. http://www.bilinkco.com Prices listed are $445 for the DM-10 and $745 for the MS-10 (open frame) monitor. I think their prices are a bit steep, but it's still cheaper than a similarly sized active matrix LCD panel. At least you can look at a picture of one. I'm sure they can found for less. 73, Mark KC7BXS From Foley_Mark/ROBINS_AFB@wrdiss1.robins.af.mil Tue Mar 03 06:18:27 1998 Received: from wrdiss1.robins.af.mil (wrdiss1.robins.af.mil [137.244.190.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id GAA15963 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 06:18:26 -0600 (CST) From: Foley_Mark/ROBINS_AFB@wrdiss1.robins.af.mil Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by wrdiss1.robins.af.mil (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA13279; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 07:18:39 -0500 (EST) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Tue, 3 Mar 98 07:18:12 -0500 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980302222419.009c8cac@pop.gate.net> Subject: [APRSSIG:21600] Re: Fw: Weather Station TO: k4lk@gte.net, aprssig@tapr.org, rvaughan@gate.net just wanted to echo on the comments for the WX-200 weather station. It is a good deal for the money and pretty accurate. When I first had it activated, I noticed its readings were different from other stations in the area. However, checking with the local NWS I discovered the other stations weren't displaying accurate data! The only problem I have is the barometric pressure reads a little low (even exchanged for another unit with same result). In WinAprs there is a provision to adjust the software readout...however, this feature currently does not work yet. I have notified Keith and Mark about it and hope they will be able to fix the code soon...:-) Mark A. Foley, NA4V From jono@webspun.com Tue Mar 03 08:37:56 1998 Received: from axon.axnet.com (axon.axnet.com [207.252.104.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id IAA00736 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:37:53 -0600 (CST) X-ROUTED: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:40:34 -0600 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Jono Received: from [207.252.105.93] [207.252.105.93] by axon.axnet.com with smtp id AICIBEDE ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:40:22 -0600 Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21613] Re: Garmin Info Date: Tue, 3 Mar 98 08:40:57 -0600 x-sender: jono@popmail.webspun.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Jon Ogden To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: >Larry has always been scrupulously honest and will tell you of any new, >upcoming changes that you might want to wait for (last week, for example, >he suggested I wait a week before getting a GPSIII since a new firmware >version was due imminently). This is good! However, Garmin will upgrade any GPS unit for free within 60 days of purchase. My GPS12-XL, I discovered, had an old firmware version. I called up Garmin and they gave me an RMA number and it was done for free. Outside the 60 days it will cost you $35. FWIW. 73, Jon KE9NA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Ogden jono@webspun.com www.qsl.net/ke9na "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." From bill.r.davis@lmco.com Tue Mar 03 09:23:06 1998 Received: from mailgw1a.lmco.com (mailgw1a.lmco.com [192.31.106.7]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id JAA02695 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:23:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from emss02g01.ems.lmco.com (relay2.ems.lmco.com [160.205.32.118]) by mailgw1a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA00505 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:23:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from emss07m01.lmtas.lmco.com ([143.114.73.35]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20543) with ESMTP id <0EP90004H1CHEL@lmco.com> for aprssig@tapr.org; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:22:08 -0700 (MST) Received: by emss07m01.lmtas.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 03 Mar 1998 09:21:49 -0600 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 09:21:49 -0600 From: "Davis, Bill R" Subject: RE: [APRSSIG:21577] APRSSIG digest 1411 To: "'aprssig@tapr.org'" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 Does anyone know the software revision on the Garmin GPS30PC units that are for sale? We need software revision 2.06 or greater for reporting to 60,000 meters. KG5IE North Texas Balloon Project ---------- From: aprssig@tapr.org[SMTP:aprssig@tapr.org] Reply To: aprssig@tapr.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 1998 10:12 AM To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: [APRSSIG:21577] APRSSIG digest 1411 APRSSIG Digest 1411 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) new GPS by kd4emi@juno.com (Michael A Kantor) 2) Re: APRS on a web page by "Ray J. Vaughan" 3) Kansas City/W MO QSY... by Jim Duncan 4) WinWeather and Aprs? by n9gsu@juno.com 5) Re: Mapping coverage program wanted by Jon Ogden 6) Re: GPS candidates by rwf 7) Re: Help with WinAPRS by Phil Goodman 8) QSY INFO RESPONSE by Boyd Prestwood 9) Garmin Info by "Tom Clark (W3IWI)" 10) APRS QSY by Michael Nie 11) Re: GPS candidates by Mark Fellhauer 12) Re: Garmin Info by Mark Fellhauer 13) Re: Garmin Info by "Tom Clark (W3IWI)" 14) DOSmaps by Bob Bruninga 15) Digipeaters in APRS by "Michael Carter" 16) Re: Mapping coverage program wanted by Jeff Brenton 17) Re: MICRO BURST by kd4noq@juno.com (David R Campbell) 18) Re: new GPS by kd4noq@juno.com (David R Campbell) 19) Re: new GPS by Wes Johnston 20) Kantronics and WinCE by Mark Fellhauer 21) Re: GPS candidates by n8exf@juno.com (R L BOEHM) 22) Re: Garmin Info by "Greg Harbaugh" 23) MY Turn; Bad Business GPS Company? by Matthew Stennett 24) Re: APRS on a web page by James Clay French KD4DLA 25) Hoot'n Hollerin APRS digi by kc5jgv@juno.com (J. S Ratchford) 26) Re: APRS on a web page by Geoff Peacock 27) Re: new GPS by Jim Conrad ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 16:39:10 -0500 From: kd4emi@juno.com (Michael A Kantor) To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: new GPS Message-ID: <19980301.163911.4734.1.kd4emi@juno.com> I didnt notice if it had been discussed but Garmin has a new GPS looks like a teardrop sorta shaped GPS II. Automatically figures street routes etc..desgined for cars..BOATS US had it for 499. Looked interesting. Mike _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 16:56:08 -0500 From: "Ray J. Vaughan" To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: APRS on a web page Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980301215608.00f4afe4@pop.gate.net> I just did their upgrade program from their web site. Still seems to report being 4.02, but now I get some Java error on the home page. Once I say okay to all of them, everything seems to work again. Weird. Should have stayed where I was. btw, I've added some weather radar and satellite images thanks to Java. This thing is cool once you get used to installing it. Ray, KD4BBM At 03:29 PM 3/1/98 -0600, you wrote: >Netscape 4.03 showed the map fine. After upgrading to 4.04, I get a Java >applet error. Written to netscape about the problem but have yet to get a >response. I'm about ready to take 4.04 out and reload 4.03. > >Howard > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Byron Smith >To: aprssig@tapr.org >Date: Sunday, March 01, 1998 9:21 AM >Subject: [APRSSIG:21536] Re: APRS on a web page > > >>Interesting . I'm running IE 4.0 and its there FB. >> >> >>At 07:33 AM 3/1/98 -0600, you wrote: >>> >>> >>>Ray J. Vaughan wrote: >>> >>>> You might remember a few days ago I asked about how I can include APRS >>on my >>>> web page. Well, thanks to Steve Dimse K4HG, I'm now up and running with >my >>>> very own personalized APRS map showing my house and car. >>>> >>>> This is neat. If you haven't given it a try, please do. If you want to >>see >>>> an example: http://www.gate.net/~rvaughan/finding.htm >>> >>>It doesn't work for me...in fact it causes NS 4.04 to crash and burn. I >get a >>>blank javAPRS map, indication that java applet is running and then a nice >big >>>crash of Netscape Communicator 4.04. Reliably repeated this failure 3 >>times, so >>>something is on that page the NS 4.04 does NOT like. 73 and as always >YMMV. >>>-- >>>hasan, N0AN >>> >>>schiers@netins.net >>> >> >>Byron Smith >>wa6ylb@theworks.com - Webpage: http://www.theworks.com/~wa6ylb >>wa6ylb@wa6ylb.#cca.ca.usa.noam >> >>If a man makes a statement, deep in the forest, and there isn't a woman >>around to hear him, is he still wrong? >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 16:11:04 -0600 From: Jim Duncan To: "aprssig@tapr.org" Subject: Kansas City/W MO QSY... Message-ID: <34F9DCF8.E1FAA719@kcaprs.org> As of 1600 CST, the Kansas City area and it's associated digipeaters have moved to 144.39 MHz. A crossband link between 144.39 and 145.79 will be operational in the next 24 hours to keep network connectivity available during the transition. -- 73 de Jim, KU0G Chairman/Coordinator Kansas City APRS Working Group, W0APR Rogue Squadron Storm Chasers Mailto:ku0g@kcaprs.org Webpage: http://www.kcaprs.org BorgNet: 1st of 10 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 17:08:31 -0500 From: n9gsu@juno.com To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: WinWeather and Aprs? Message-ID: <19980301.170834.4070.1.N9GSU@juno.com> Good afternoon, all.... I found, and downloaded from the net, a great program called WinWeather...it uses your internet connection to got to the rainmaker.wunderground site on the net, and gets the latest observations and latest NWS forecasts for the city, cities, or state that you pick. I'm curious...this is such a great program, there ought to be a way to interface some of that information to APRS. Ideas, anyone? By the way, the address of that page is: http://www.igsnet.com 73, Rick Garrett Minister of Music, Creekwood Baptist Church DXing from Muncie, Indiana MW/HF/VHF/UHF Monitoring APRS on 145.79 Alternate address: SBCmusic@aol.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 98 19:18:18 -0600 From: Jon Ogden To: , Subject: Re: Mapping coverage program wanted Message-ID: >As some on this list know, I am not an advocate of "every" APRS station >having an alias of RELAY. Just as only stations with truly wide coverage >should be designated as "WIDE", I think only stations that cover an area >that can't be heard by a WIDE should use the alias of RELAY. > >In our county, I have personally mapped 90% of the county's coverage, >and identified one major area that needed RELAYs, and asked two people >(one at each end of the valley in question) to do so. Everyone else, I >ask to change it, and help them to do so. There is a problem though with this, Jeff. I run mobile with only 2 or 3 watts of power from an HT. Just because there is a WIDE digi in the area does not mean that I can hit it with flea power. However, if I drive by someone's house who is half way between two digis I can't hit, then that person's RELAY would be a big help. I don't think that just cause a digi can have visual line of sight to someone, it does not mean that the radio signals will get there. There are lot of things that can attenuate a small signal, trees, buildings, etc. etc. What do you define as a minimum power level to transmit with so a WIDE can hear you? Is it 0.5 watts, 1 watt, 2 watts, 5 watts??? 5 watts may get a lot farther than .5. There are possibly a lot of people running small trackers with itty bitty radios. They could possibly hear your wide, but would your wide hear them reliably. So I have to disagree here with you. I think more stations need to be relays, not fewer. If it can be proven that a low power station can hit a WIDE and then when that WIDE drops out, they can hit another, then no, there probably doesn't need to be a relay station. But how can you be sure?? Rather, I think every station possible (unless two APRSers are neighbors) should be RELAYs. Home stations should NOT use relay in their path unless running low power and high power mobiles should avoid it as well. Only low power stations should use RELAY in their paths (mobile, portable or fixed). That I think would work best and cause minimum interference problems. Just my thoughts. 73, Jon KE9NA ------------------------------------- Jon Ogden KE9NA http://www.qsl.net/ke9na "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 21:32:59 -0500 From: rwf To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: GPS candidates Message-ID: Mark F.wrote: >There are several GPS engines available, some with housings, some not. My >favorite so far, is the Garmin GPS-36 (based on the 12 channel Garmin 25 >engine), which is in a mouse sized waterproof unit that can be mounted >several ways. It includes a marine mount which can be screwed to any 1" x >14 nautical antenna post. Cost is not so appealing. Mine was 247 dollars >with shipping. This is the same as the GPS-35, but white in color and has that pipe mount. Does it have the mag mount base too? I wonder who has the best price now. Did Comm Systems Intermountain really stop selling Garmin? Mark- where did you get your 36? A basic GPS engine can be had for under $200, but most >require that you obtain an antenna separately. Older 8 channel versions of >Garmin "TracPaks" can be had for as low as $100. They are actually 1 channel, not 8. Steer clear unless you want poor performance! Of course, as they say, you get what you pay for. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 18:47:29 -0800 From: Phil Goodman To: APRS Subject: Re: Help with WinAPRS Message-ID: <34FA1DC1.C70CB3EF@deltanet.com> The title screen says "MacAPRS for Windows V2.1.0" and the title bar says "WinAPRS" Roy Bost wrote: > It appears that you have downloaded the wrong program if you're getting > macAPRS messages! Be sure you have WINAPRS 2.0.2! > > Roy W Bost > e-mail: rbost@itexas.net > This message transmitted on 100% recycled electrons ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 22:16:40 -0500 From: Boyd Prestwood To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: QSY INFO RESPONSE Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980301221640.006c44d8@mail.mosquito.com> As requested by someone, Rich Garcia, I think (hi Rich!), I submit the following info to him and anyone else interested: W2HOB-15 145.790-MHz NJ Pemberton (Burlington Co) 3958.22NN07438.56W Boyd Prestwood W2HOB w2hob@mosquito.com YES 04/05/98 N2MSM-15 Not-on-yet NJ Marmora (Cape May Co) 3915.50NN07439.13W John Massie N2MSM n2msm@aol.com YES As-soon-as-rocks-arrive after 04/05/98 N2IPH-15 145.790-MHz NJ Bridgeton (Cumberland Co) 3927.47N\07509.15W Bob Derderian N2IPH n2iph@cyberenet.net YES 04/05/98 I hope this helps. Have fun es 73 de Boyd W2HOB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 03:15:55 +0000 From: "Tom Clark (W3IWI)" To: kd4emi@juno.com, aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Garmin Info Message-ID: <34FA246B.5B4FE3A0@clark.net> Michael, KD4EMI wrote: > I didnt notice if it had been discussed but Garmin has a new GPS > looks like a teardrop sorta shaped GPS II. It's actually a spin-off from the GPS-III called the StreetPilot -- see http://www.garmin.com/db?MItab=garmin&MIval=streetPilot for details. The GPS-III (and apparently the StreetPilot) use the new hi-res gray-scale LCD display and have an Americas database built in. Apparently with the StreetPilot you can plug in ROM-based street-level database cards. Also apparently Garmin has a new GPS-48, which is a GPS-45XL with the MUCH! BETTER! 12-channel receiver, but it isn't on their web site yet. Defender Marine's latest catalog shows the -48 costing about $25 more than a GPS-II+ or GPS-12XL. There has been some confusion in the Garmin models. The following all use the older sequential receiver that has trouble locking up and doesn't do too well in foliage :<{ -- GPS-20, GPS-30, GPS-38, GPS-40, GPS-45, GPS-45XL, GPSII & GPS-12 The following are all newer models with the 12-channel parallel technology (which is much superior and well worth the added cost ;<} ) GPS-25, GPS-36, GPS-12XL, GPS-II+, GPS-III, GPS-175 & StreetPilot Someone asked about the GPS-45 vs 45XL: They represent evolutionary changes but are basically the same product. They both have the older (and IMHO poorer) sequential receivers. The XL had an improved display, and FINALLY incorporated the amateur Maidhead grid as an output format. The same difference exists between the GPS-40 & GPS-38, (with the -38 being the later model like the XL). The 40/38 are nearly identical to the 45/45XL except that they do not have the flip-up antenna (with BNC connector) and will not run from 12V power and are gray instead of white in color. Personally, I can highly recommend the II+ (not the older & poorer II!) as being very convenient as either a hand-held or for use in a vehicle. The GPS-III looks the same but has a much nicer LCD display and has the built in map of the Americas. The downside of the GPS-III is that it costs ~$100 more thaan a II+, and the III's fancier display & map database make batteries die in about 8 hours in a GPS-III vs ~20 hours in a GPS-II+. One final Garmin note -- TAPR now has the 12-channel GPS-25LP OEM board available for $179 -- see http://www.tapr.org/gps/index.html for info. A BIG PLUS over the older GPS-20's that TAPR had -- the GPS-25 comes with a pre-wired cable. No more need to put to put those bitchy little pins on the wires and try to jam them into the connector without the proper tools! The GPS-25 is mechanically interchangable with the -20. The -25 is already working in my "Totally Accurate Clock" hardware and in the TAC32 software. My -25 locked up on 9 satellites within minutes of plugging it into my TAC receiver tester. 73 de Tom, W3IWI ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:53:55 -0500 From: Michael Nie To: "'aprssig@tapr.org'" Subject: APRS QSY Message-ID: <01BD4564.EA6E8680.mnie@fuse.net> The N8NWS wide digipeater in downtown Cincinnati has QSY'd to 144.39. The KB8VMX-10 wide digipeater in western Cincinnati will follow in a few days. 73 Mike - KB8VMX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 21:06:55 -0700 From: Mark Fellhauer To: rwf@bsrg.org, aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: GPS candidates Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980301210655.007c1100@pop.primenet.com> At 08:42 PM 3/1/98 -0600, rwf wrote: >This is the same as the GPS-35, but white in color and has that pipe mount. > Does it have the mag mount base too? >I wonder who has the best price now. >Did Comm Systems Intermountain really stop selling Garmin? >Mark- where did you get your 36? The mag mount for the GPS-35 will work, but you'll have to order it. I got mine from VIT Electronics for about $247 with shipping. This was the best price I could find. Comm Systems Intermountain is no longer carrying Garmin stuff. > >A basic GPS engine can be had for under $200, but most >>require that you obtain an antenna separately. Older 8 channel versions of >>Garmin "TracPaks" can be had for as low as $100. > >They are actually 1 channel, not 8. Steer clear unless you want poor >performance! Of course, as they say, you get what you pay for. > Good advice. The GPS-36 seems to be maintaining lock even under my METAL carport. 73, Mark KC7BXS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 21:09:43 -0700 From: Mark Fellhauer To: tac@clark.net, aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: Garmin Info Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980301210943.007c8c60@pop.primenet.com> > >One final Garmin note -- TAPR now has the 12-channel GPS-25LP OEM board >available for $179 -- see http://www.tapr.org/gps/index.html for info. >A BIG PLUS over the older GPS-20's that TAPR had -- the GPS-25 comes >with a pre-wired cable. No more need to put to put those bitchy little >pins on the wires and try to jam them into the connector without the >proper tools! The GPS-25 is mechanically interchangable with the -20. >The -25 is already working in my "Totally Accurate Clock" hardware and >in the TAC32 software. My -25 locked up on 9 satellites within minutes >of plugging it into my TAC receiver tester. > Oh, sure, now you tell me I can get a GPS-25...right after I order my GPS-36. 73, Mark KC7BXS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 04:12:24 +0000 From: "Tom Clark (W3IWI)" To: Mark Fellhauer Subject: Re: Garmin Info Message-ID: <34FA31A8.E09B19C1@clark.net> Mark Fellhauer wrote: > Oh, sure, now you tell me I can get a GPS-25...right after I order my GPS-36. Hey -- don't shoot the messenger! Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 23:24:50 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: DOSmaps Message-ID: I mostly only pay attention to my map distros in the files/dosstuff/APRSdos area, but today I looked at the PCMaps area and noticed a lot of apparent dupes and old maps. I will go through there in the next few days and delete all XXmapsNN.zip files that have a later version (NN+1) for example... If for somereason you want the old copy to remain, tell me soon... de bob ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 1998 20:38:35 U From: "Michael Carter" To: "APRSSig" Subject: Digipeaters in APRS Message-ID: I've noticed that when I monitor with MacAPRS, I see on the average 22 = stations around my QTH. When I select Display -> Direct only, only one = digipeater is shown on my map. Does this mean it's the only station I hear = directly, and it is relaying the other stations? Secondly, since the digipeater seems to be the only one I directly = communicate with, shouldn't I specify somewhere in my communications = parameters that I want to send all my traffic through the digipeater? That = sounds like the sensible way too do it, but I have not seen any = description of how accomplish that. Any comments? -MikeC- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 23:16:39 -0600 From: Jeff Brenton To: jono@webspun.com Subject: Re: Mapping coverage program wanted Message-ID: <34FA40B7.DDF@espi.com> Jon Ogden wrote: > > >As some on this list know, I am not an advocate of "every" APRS > >station having an alias of RELAY. > > There is a problem though with this, Jeff. I run mobile with only > 2 or 3 watts of power from an HT. Just because there is a WIDE digi > in the area does not mean that I can hit it with flea power. You're running the same power I'm running... and that's what I use for mapping the area, and what I'm trying to make sure the area can "support", so long as the trackers run 'RELAY,WIDE' in their path. > However, if I drive by someone's house who is half way between two > digis I can't hit, then that person's RELAY would be a big help. This is the reason behind the coverage mapping... determining WHICH "someone's house" *needs* to be that helpful RELAY, and eliminating the excess, to cut down on collisions. After all, only a small percentage of home stations are going to be using one of the TNCs with APRS features built in. > What do you define as a minimum power level to transmit with so a WIDE > can hear you? Is it 0.5 watts, 1 watt, 2 watts, 5 watts??? I think a 5 watt mobile a good design point. Most commercial systems are designed around the idea of 25 watt mobiles with 1/4-wave antennas, and 5w into a 3db antenna works as well... And that's, as I said, what I'm mapping the local area with. So far, McHenry and Lake counties in Illinois work with this setup, except for one area along the Boone/McHenry lines, but that might have been an interference problem. Looks like Kane and Winnebago counties work, too. While you might disagree, there is a bit of misunderstanding here... the number of relays in the network doesn't mean squat beyond that first digi hop, so a WIDE going down isn't going to be fixed by having 8,000 RELAYs out there... Now, I *DO* have a "fix" for this, but it can't be done right now. Maybe when AX.25 is incorporated into Win/MacAPRS and it can be programmed with some digipeater code... The idea is a "fill-in" W/R station - it only responds as a WIDE or RELAY if NO OTHER WIDE/RELAY digipeats a packet within 30 seconds, so that you can fill in areas without losing a hop to an excessive number of RELAYs. Remember - making "every" station a RELAY leaves you open for essentially losing a hop of distance, and maybe all range... if the ill-placed RELAYs step on each other trying to digipeat your packet! -- Jeff Brenton, Ham Radio call KA9VNV Questionable web page: http://www.dididahdahdidit.com Selling some toys: http://www.espi.com/ForSale.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 05:40:18 -0600 From: kd4noq@juno.com (David R Campbell) To: Kd4emi@aol.com Cc: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: MICRO BURST Message-ID: <19980228.060846.9374.57.KD4NOQ@juno.com> Cadillac already has this in there ON-Star sys. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 05:56:59 -0600 From: kd4noq@juno.com (David R Campbell) To: kd4emi@juno.com Cc: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: new GPS Message-ID: <19980228.060846.9374.61.KD4NOQ@juno.com> Some one told me the other day that correction beacons were going to Cost Guard beacons on a SLF freq.Any body heard about this??? _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 01:00:27 -0500 From: Wes Johnston To: kd4noq@juno.com, aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: new GPS Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980302010023.0075125c@mail.eagnet.com> You mean like 200khz? yep.... one in Charleston SC.... David R Campbell wrote: >Some one told me the other day that correction beacons were going to Cost >Guard beacons on a SLF freq.Any body heard about this??? > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > Wes Email: mailto:kd4rdb@usa.net EU ax25: mailto:kd4rdb@on1kul-10.ampr.org WEB: http://www.qsl.net/kd4rdb http://www.qsl.net/kd4rdb/aprs.htm ICQ: 273949 Lat/Long: 3209.36N/08109.88W Covert member of the Secret Right Wing Conspiracy. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 02:14:17 -0700 From: Mark Fellhauer To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Kantronics and WinCE Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980302021417.007d5110@pop.primenet.com> Kantronics has annouced on its web page that they plan to release a version of PacTerm for Windows CE by the 3rd quarter of 1998. I've gotten my to work using a null modem on the Casio's sync cable and the native CE terminal program. The characters are small and the screen lags behind received data noticeably, but it works. I eargerly await the WinCE APRS version. I would also like to see a satellite tracking program for the WinCE. I seem to recall there was a basic version of software that would output satellite data in tabular form from a keplerian input. Does anyone remember what it was called, or have a copy of it. I would even try to port it to the WinCe myself... Mark KC7BXS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 05:02:50 -0500 From: n8exf@juno.com (R L BOEHM) To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: GPS candidates Message-ID: <19980302.050250.16094.0.N8EXF@juno.com> Does anyone know anything about a GPS receiver engine called the Ashtech G8 GPS?? I found an ad for Ashtech in this months Radio Resource magazine. The board is a showen in the ad to be a little smaller in length than an ignition key. The price is $98.00 "in quantities". I called the 800 number and was told that a one unit cost would be $139.00. A "developers kit" is also needed. I have not looked at the web page, but here is the listed address: www.ashtech.com 73 de Bob, N8EXF // KN webmaster www.qsl.net/wr8cra homepage www.qsl.net/n8exf Life Member: ARRL, NRA Covert Member: Hillary's Vast Right Wing Conspiracy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 06:17:45 -0500 From: "Greg Harbaugh" To: , Subject: Re: Garmin Info Message-ID: <01bd45cc$d34807c0$553479cf@n3nri> Tom, I think there is one mistake on your lists...the GPS12 and the 12XL are both 12 channel receivers... Greg -----Original Message----- From: Tom Clark (W3IWI) To: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Sunday, March 01, 1998 10:32 PM Subject: [APRSSIG:21559] Garmin Info >Michael, KD4EMI wrote: >> I didnt notice if it had been discussed but Garmin has a new GPS >> looks like a teardrop sorta shaped GPS II. > >It's actually a spin-off from the GPS-III called the StreetPilot -- >see http://www.garmin.com/db?MItab=garmin&MIval=streetPilot for >details. The GPS-III (and apparently the StreetPilot) use the new >hi-res gray-scale LCD display and have an Americas database built in. >Apparently with the StreetPilot you can plug in ROM-based street-level >database cards. > > >Also apparently Garmin has a new GPS-48, which is a GPS-45XL with the >MUCH! BETTER! 12-channel receiver, but it isn't on their web site yet. >Defender Marine's latest catalog shows the -48 costing about $25 more >than a GPS-II+ or GPS-12XL. > > >There has been some confusion in the Garmin models. The following >all use the older sequential receiver that has trouble locking up >and doesn't do too well in foliage :<{ -- > GPS-20, GPS-30, GPS-38, GPS-40, GPS-45, GPS-45XL, GPSII & GPS-12 > >The following are all newer models with the 12-channel parallel >technology (which is much superior and well worth the added cost ;<} ) > GPS-25, GPS-36, GPS-12XL, GPS-II+, GPS-III, GPS-175 & StreetPilot > > >Someone asked about the GPS-45 vs 45XL: They represent evolutionary >changes but are basically the same product. They both have the older >(and IMHO poorer) sequential receivers. The XL had an improved >display, and FINALLY incorporated the amateur Maidhead grid as an >output format. The same difference exists between the GPS-40 & GPS-38, >(with the -38 being the later model like the XL). The 40/38 are nearly >identical to the 45/45XL except that they do not have the flip-up >antenna (with BNC connector) and will not run from 12V power and are >gray instead of white in color. > > >Personally, I can highly recommend the II+ (not the older & poorer II!) >as being very convenient as either a hand-held or for use in a vehicle. >The GPS-III looks the same but has a much nicer LCD display and has the >built in map of the Americas. The downside of the GPS-III is that it >costs ~$100 more thaan a II+, and the III's fancier display & map >database make batteries die in about 8 hours in a GPS-III vs ~20 hours >in a GPS-II+. > > >One final Garmin note -- TAPR now has the 12-channel GPS-25LP OEM board >available for $179 -- see http://www.tapr.org/gps/index.html for info. >A BIG PLUS over the older GPS-20's that TAPR had -- the GPS-25 comes >with a pre-wired cable. No more need to put to put those bitchy little >pins on the wires and try to jam them into the connector without the >proper tools! The GPS-25 is mechanically interchangable with the -20. >The -25 is already working in my "Totally Accurate Clock" hardware and >in the TAC32 software. My -25 locked up on 9 satellites within minutes >of plugging it into my TAC receiver tester. > >73 de Tom, W3IWI > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:23:21 +0900 From: Matthew Stennett To: APRS SIG Subject: MY Turn; Bad Business GPS Company? Message-ID: Someone gave me a web-site to look at a few weeks ago. On one of the sites, I read something concerning one of the GPS companys was putting a " limiter " into their units, to KEEP it/them from being used in aircraft. What company was that?! I will NOT be buying a GPS unit from THAT company! MadMax; Tokyo MacRatt Matt; 7J6CAT/1 The ONLY APRS station in J-Pan! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 08:16:05 -0500 From: James Clay French KD4DLA To: schiers@netins.net Subject: Re: APRS on a web page Message-ID: <34FAB115.7EB7@amsat.org> hasan schiers wrote: > > Ray J. Vaughan wrote: > > > You might remember a few days ago I asked about how I can include APRS on my > > web page. Well, thanks to Steve Dimse K4HG, I'm now up and running with my > > very own personalized APRS map showing my house and car. > > > > This is neat. If you haven't given it a try, please do. If you want to see > > an example: http://www.gate.net/~rvaughan/finding.htm > > It doesn't work for me...in fact it causes NS 4.04 to crash and burn. I get a > blank javAPRS map, indication that java applet is running and then a nice big > crash of Netscape Communicator 4.04. Reliably repeated this failure 3 times, so > something is on that page the NS 4.04 does NOT like. 73 and as always YMMV. > -- > hasan, N0AN > > schiers@netins.net I use Netscape Navigater Gold and have found to run any page that has JavaAPRS, you have to go under "OPTIONS" and click "Show Java Console". You'll get a box showing what Java programs are running. I click the "Clear" box,which clear the Java Console of any Applets that are loaded there. You have to do this just after starting to load the page(s) otherwise it will crash. At least that my cure so far. I had the same problems till i started doing this. Hope this helps out. James KD4DLA SouthEast Michigan AMSAT Net Control ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:10:47 -0600 From: kc5jgv@juno.com (J. S Ratchford) To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Hoot'n Hollerin APRS digi Message-ID: <19980302.081059.7086.1.kc5jgv@juno.com> This is to announce the addition of a nother APRS digi to be in place soon in Branson, MO. This digi will be up sometime before May on the new 144.390 freq. This will be third TRACE digi installed in this area bringing to total to 4 in North Central Arkansas. All our digis will QSY to 144.390 in the next 60 days. The name of the new digi will be BRANSON. Although I may change that to BALD KNOBBERS. Anyhoo, anyone travelling to Branson this summer will have an APRS digi available to them. This digi will also be one hop away from a 2m/6m gateway. 73 J. Scott Ratchford - KC5JGV - ARES EC Searcy County, AR F.&A.M. Calf Creek Lodge #426 email: kc5jgv@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:15:44 -0600 (CST) From: Geoff Peacock To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: APRS on a web page Message-ID: Is Ray really going 133 mph??? __ / / __ _ _ _ _ __ __ / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / /____/ /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ ...for IQ's higher than 95... KD4GOE geoff@acan.net On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, James Clay French KD4DLA wrote: > web page. Well, thanks to Steve Dimse K4HG, I'm now up and running with > my > > very own personalized APRS map showing my house and car. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:47:15 -0500 From: Jim Conrad To: kd4noq@juno.com, aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: new GPS Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980302093153.00881b30@shellhost.pilot.infi.net> At 11:40 PM 3/1/98 -0600, David R Campbell wrote: >Some one told me the other day that correction beacons were going to Cost >Guard beacons on a SLF freq.Any body heard about this??? The Coast Guard is slowly taking over the USAF GWEN (Ground Wave Emergency Network) which used to provide survivable communications in the event of a Nuclear War. They are VLF in nature and I don't recall the freqs off the top of my head. The Air Force has abandoned VLF (for the most part) in favor of Satcom. Congress late last year approved funding to convert them to Correctional Beacon use. Several are operational as test beds, 1 I believe is near Seattle. .Jim <:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:> <:> <:> Jim Conrad - Ocean View Communications - CAGE 0UD60 - jjc@infi.net <:> <:> 757-490-8127 Office - 757-587-8251 Fax - 757-473-6740 Pager <:> <:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:> <:> ------------------------------ End of APRSSIG Digest 1411 ************************** From z004391b@bc.seflin.org Tue Mar 03 09:23:08 1998 Received: from bc.seflin.org (z004391b@bc.seflin.org [199.227.192.20]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id JAA02693 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:23:03 -0600 (CST) Received: (from z004391b@localhost) by bc.seflin.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA16923; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:23:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:23:57 -0500 (EST) From: John W Wilson Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21578] Re: MY Turn; Bad Business GPS Company? To: Jon Ogden cc: aprssig@tapr.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Oh, Garmin limited the max speed to 100 MPH or Knots as well. That wasn't even in the fine print with my GPS. Arg. John W. Wilson, KN4HX z004391b@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Jon Ogden wrote: > > > >Someone gave me a web-site to look at a few weeks ago. > > > >On one of the sites, I read something concerning one of the GPS companys > >was putting a " limiter " into their units, to KEEP it/them from being used > >in aircraft. > > > >What company was that?! > > > >I will NOT be buying a GPS unit from THAT company! > > The older Garmin GPS receivers (GPS-38, etc) that used the 8 channel > sequential receivers had their altitude display stop at some height I > believe. I think this was due to likely software or hardware > limitations. The newer units with 12 channel parallel receivers don't > have any problem. I've had mine up to 32,000 feet a few weeks ago! > > 73, > > Jon > KE9NA > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Jon Ogden > > jono@webspun.com > > www.qsl.net/ke9na > > > "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." > > > From n4xcv@grits.net Tue Mar 03 12:10:51 1998 Received: from ns.shelby.net (ns.shelby.net [207.201.214.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id MAA11190 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:10:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from n4xcv (ruth-20.grits.net [207.201.217.20]) by ns.shelby.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA00017 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:12:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199803031812.NAA00017@ns.shelby.net> X-Sender: n4xcv@grits.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 13:10:13 -0500 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: Andy Ruppe Subject: wiring kpc-3 plus to kenwood tr751 or dr570t alinco Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone have the wiring diagram on howto wire the kpc-3 plus to a dr570 alinco or a kenwood tr751 allmode? Im going to buy another kpc3 plus for a digi or setup a gateway with it and needing to know what the wiring diagram is.any help would be appreciated. 73 n4xcv From gregh@mailhost.onramp.net Tue Mar 03 12:16:57 1998 Received: from bozeman.onramp.net (bozeman.onramp.net [199.1.11.26]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id MAA11293 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:16:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailhost.onramp.net (mailhost.onramp.net [199.1.11.3]) by bozeman.onramp.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA01617 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:16:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from gregh.onramp.net (ppp11-2.ftwotx.onramp.net [206.50.209.66]) by mailhost.onramp.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA25826 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:16:48 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980303121726.006a3240@mailhost.onramp.net> X-Sender: gregh@mailhost.onramp.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 12:17:26 -0600 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: Greg Higgins Subject: Help: PK-900 Initaea.tnc commands Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have been reading the docs for the "initaea.tnc and noticed the statement "The pk-900 needs substantially different entries...Good luck!" Is there anybody using the pk-900 that could provide me with this file? This is for dosAPRS 8.13. THANKS Greg Higgins KB5GLV From jono@webspun.com Tue Mar 03 14:32:49 1998 Received: from axon.axnet.com (axon.axnet.com [207.252.104.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id OAA26444 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:32:46 -0600 (CST) X-ROUTED: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:35:28 -0600 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Jono Received: from [207.252.105.7] [207.252.105.7] by axon.axnet.com with smtp id AOCDBBAB ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:35:16 -0600 Subject: I give up: ALTPATHS.TXT Date: Tue, 3 Mar 98 14:35:55 -0600 x-sender: jono@popmail.webspun.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Jon Ogden To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: Ok everyone. I give up! How do you get the ALTPATHS.TXT file to work in MacAPRS. I have the file. It's in my main APRS folder. I start the program and go down to the paths menu. I select the "other" option or whatever. All I get is a beep. How does one get this to work? 73, Jon KE9NA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Ogden jono@webspun.com www.qsl.net/ke9na "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." From jono@webspun.com Tue Mar 03 14:35:49 1998 Received: from axon.axnet.com (axon.axnet.com [207.252.104.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id OAA26808 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:35:47 -0600 (CST) X-ROUTED: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:38:28 -0600 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Jono Received: from [207.252.105.7] [207.252.105.7] by axon.axnet.com with smtp id AOCGBADI ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:38:16 -0600 Subject: 6m polarization Date: Tue, 3 Mar 98 14:38:54 -0600 x-sender: jono@popmail.webspun.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Jon Ogden To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: Ok you 6 meter APRS guys out there... I've got a question for you. What polarization are you running for APRS? Vertical or Horizontal? I suppose it doesn't really matter since signals propagating by skip go through Faraday rotation (I think that's what it's called) as they move through the ionosphere. I just came into possession of a 6 meter rig and would like to play with APRS up there. I don't have enough equipment to devote to a 6 meter station, but would like to play... 73, Jon KE9NA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Ogden jono@webspun.com www.qsl.net/ke9na "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." From GStory@icomply.com Tue Mar 03 14:54:09 1998 Received: from lew_prods1.icomply.com (lew_prods1.icomply.com [38.223.45.65]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id OAA27771 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:54:07 -0600 (CST) From: GStory@icomply.com Received: by lew_prods1.icomply.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:49:52 -0600 Message-ID: To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Maps Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:49:50 -0600 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Hello everyone, got a question about APRS maps, mainly in Texas. I downloaded winaprs from TAPR last night. Are more detailed maps available for the state or even North Texas? The view of Texas and Oklahoma is okay but for a county level event or a city it is just too big. Is there a zoom feature is am looking over maybe? Thanks in advance 73 kc5goi gstory@icomply.com From jeffb@espi.com Tue Mar 03 15:59:56 1998 Received: from mork.stans.com (mork.stans.com [209.42.7.15]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id PAA01493 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:59:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from dial45.stans.com (dial45.stans.com [209.42.7.145]) by mork.stans.com (NTMail 3.03.0013/1.ab4a) with ESMTP id ba163983 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:59:13 -0600 Message-ID: <34FC7CF0.D38@espi.com> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 15:58:08 -0600 From: Jeff Brenton Reply-To: jeffb@espi.com Organization: Engineered Software Products, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GStory@icomply.com CC: aprssig Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21623] Maps References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Any better maps for [fill in blank] and WinAPRS? Depends upon your state - currently, Mark and Keith haven't done Texas or Oklahoma, but there are a number of states that have been done to the street level on a county-by-county basis, from the government's TIGER data. They can be found at: ftp://aprs.rutgers.edu/pub/hamradio/APRS/TIGER%20Maps/ The states as of today are AR, FL, IL (some counties missing), KS, MI, NJ, OR, WA, and WI, with parts of CA, GA, and NY, plus Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. Note that the Tiger data has some positional errors in it, similar to what you'll see in Street Atlas 4 or 5, since it's the same data. Have you taken a look at APRSa4, which uses Street Atlas 4 or 5 to provide the maps? -- Jeff Brenton, Ham radio call KA9VNV http://www.espi.com Questionable web page: http://www.dididahdahdidit.com Covert supporter of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (tm) From bdover@greeceny.com Tue Mar 03 16:01:40 1998 Received: from greeceny.com (ppp-111.monroe.edu [199.190.222.111]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id QAA01532 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:01:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from greeceny.com (roc-ny4-20.ix.netcom.com [199.183.209.148]) by greeceny.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA28428; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:01:27 -0500 Message-ID: <34FCC3F6.AC2E9343@greeceny.com> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 22:01:11 -0500 From: "B. Dover" Reply-To: bdover@greeceny.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jono@webspun.com CC: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21622] 6m polarization References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------51B973AFD871BA50EA2334E3" --------------51B973AFD871BA50EA2334E3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jon, 6-meter polarization for APRS is vertical. There are a couple of reasons, which make sense if you think about them . . . * It is FM, which is traditionally vertical * It is desirable to have an omnidirectional pattern (very easy with a vertical monopole) * It will eventually support mobile trackers (as more people flock to the band), where 5/8 wave 2-meter antennas load up nicely as 1/4 wave 6-meter antennas. * When the band opens to DX, there is enough polarization rotation that takes place that the orignal polarization sense doesnt really matter * One of the premises in establishing APRS on 6-meters is the very selfish need to allow narrowbanders (don't call MY signal 'weak' - ) to be able to operate APRS with a minimum of QRM to their SSB/CW activity. We've chosen 53.530-MHz to get away from the bottom end, and vertical polarization allows even more isolation -- since we use horizontal for ssb/cw. All this ends up inferring vertical is the way to go. Welcome aboard! Regards, Ev Tupis, K2IV If you hear APRS on 53.530-MHz, the band is OPEN to Western New York Jon Ogden wrote: > Ok you 6 meter APRS guys out there... > > I've got a question for you. What polarization are you running for APRS? > Vertical or Horizontal? I suppose it doesn't really matter since > signals propagating by skip go through Faraday rotation (I think that's > what it's called) as they move through the ionosphere. > > I just came into possession of a 6 meter rig and would like to play with > APRS up there. I don't have enough equipment to devote to a 6 meter > station, but would like to play... > > 73, > > Jon > KE9NA > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Jon Ogden > > jono@webspun.com > > www.qsl.net/ke9na > > "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." --------------51B973AFD871BA50EA2334E3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jon,
6-meter polarization for APRS is vertical.  There are a couple of reasons, which make sense if you think about them . . .
  • It is FM, which is traditionally vertical
  • It is desirable to have an omnidirectional pattern (very easy with a vertical monopole)
  • It will eventually support mobile trackers (as more people flock to the band), where 5/8 wave 2-meter antennas load up nicely as 1/4 wave 6-meter antennas.
  • When the band opens to DX, there is enough polarization rotation that takes place that the orignal polarization sense doesnt really matter
  • One of the premises in establishing APRS on 6-meters is the very selfish need to allow narrowbanders (don't call MY signal 'weak' - <grin>) to be able to operate APRS with a minimum of QRM to their SSB/CW activity.  We've chosen 53.530-MHz to get away from the bottom end, and vertical polarization allows even more isolation -- since we use horizontal for ssb/cw.
All this ends up inferring vertical is the way to go.  Welcome aboard!

Regards,
Ev Tupis, K2IV
If you hear APRS on 53.530-MHz, the band is OPEN to Western New York
 

Jon Ogden wrote:

Ok you 6 meter APRS guys out there...

I've got a question for you.  What polarization are you running for APRS?
 Vertical or Horizontal?  I suppose it doesn't really matter since
signals propagating by skip go through Faraday rotation (I think that's
what it's called) as they move through the ionosphere.

I just came into possession of a 6 meter rig and would like to play with
APRS up there.  I don't have enough equipment to devote to a 6 meter
station, but would like to play...

73,

Jon
KE9NA

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jon Ogden

jono@webspun.com

www.qsl.net/ke9na

"A life lived in fear is a life half lived."

  --------------51B973AFD871BA50EA2334E3-- From rvaughan@gate.net Tue Mar 03 16:09:15 1998 Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (root@chickasaw.gate.net [198.206.134.26]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id QAA02026 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:09:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from ray_nt (miafl5-15.gate.net [199.227.169.15]) by chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA95188 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:08:36 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980303220925.00ec1030@pop.gate.net> X-Sender: rvaughan@pop.gate.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 17:09:25 -0500 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: Ray Vaughan Subject: Replay tracks speed Is there a way to s-l-o-w-l-y replay tracks in WinAPRS? When I hit Replay All Tracks it does it all in like less than have a second. Would be nice to see it all happen again in order, including the time gaps where a station might be stationary. If not... Maybe a drop down menu from Replay All Tracks? Instant 1 sec = 1 min 1 sec = 30 min 1 sec = 1 hour 1 sec = 12 hours 1 sec = 1 day Something like that? Would be also nice to have the option to turn on all tracks at all times instead of one time only. Thanks, Ray, KD4BBM From k4hg@tapr.org Tue Mar 03 16:14:53 1998 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (dd06-003.dub.compuserve.com [199.174.148.3]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id QAA02205 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:14:47 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199803032214.QAA02205@tapr.org> Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21624] Re: Maps Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:14:58 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Steve Dimse K4HG To: "aprssig" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" On 3/3/98 5:01 PM Jeff Brenton (jeffb@espi.com) wrote: >Depends upon your state - currently, Mark and Keith haven't done Texas >or Oklahoma, but there are a number of states that have been done to the >street level on a county-by-county basis, from the government's TIGER >data. There are also the Digital Chart of the World maps, which have an intermediate amount of data, for the whole country (and much of the world) from the same site... Steve K4HG From altodsa1@marshill.com Tue Mar 03 16:19:42 1998 Received: from dns.marshill.com (www.claytonwilliams.com [207.123.2.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id QAA02633 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:19:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from dial75.marshill.com (dial75.marshill.com [207.123.2.75]) by dns.marshill.com (NTMail 3.03.0014/1.afdv) with ESMTP id ja081363 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:21:29 -0600 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Alton Teague Shop machine" Organization: the mad scientist club skunk works To: APRSSIG@tapr.org Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:19:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Motorola RNET 450 radio docs? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Message-Id: <22212936314491@marshill.com> This probably isn't the correct SIG for this but please forward as needed. I need a service manual with programming information, pinouts, and tuning data for the Motorola RNET 450 data radios. This is allegedly capable of going from about 406 to 512 mhz which would serve 70 cm nicely. Also I need a manual for the E.F. Johnson model DL-3472 UHF data radio. I'm interested in doing some APRS on the 70 cm band since there seem to be a lot of these UHF radios coming from scrapped SCADA systems starting to surface. Has anyone thought of using a vacant 70 cm channel for local trackers and a 70 cm to 2 meter gateway for the rest of the folks on there to hear them? Also where can I find good frequency info on 70 cm backbones and the assorted data rates? What about a separate network for special events using 70 cm? It seems that there is mainly silence on that band at least in West Texas. What about the 1240-1300 mhz band? Spectrum: Use it or lose it. -73- de N5PSP - Alton cc to: rocketman@basinlink.com "Your attitude about who you are and what you have is a very little thing that makes a very big difference." - Theodore Roosev elt From mbaratta@iline.com Tue Mar 03 16:25:45 1998 Received: from mail.iline.com (mail.iline.com [207.30.96.4]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id QAA02991 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:25:44 -0600 (CST) Received: by mail.iline.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Tue, 03 Mar 1998 17:27:57 -0600 Received: by mail.iline.com from default (207.30.96.229::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Tue, 03 Mar 1998 17:27:56 -0600 Reply-To: From: "Mario Baratta" To: Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:26:13 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980303172757.6833b88f.in@mail.iline.com> Cancel subscribe aprssig mbaratta@iline.com From kf4dbx@ipass.net Tue Mar 03 19:10:25 1998 Received: from earth.ipass.net (mail.ipass.net [198.79.53.15]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id TAA19625 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 19:10:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from wb4iuy.ipass.net (customs952.ipass.net [208.209.104.117]) by earth.ipass.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA06620 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:10:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:10:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803040110.UAA06620@earth.ipass.net> X-Sender: kf4dbx@mail.ipass.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: aprssig@tapr.org From: APRS & FBB Mailbox Subject: Mode WIDEn-n questions Hi, I'm a little confused about how the widen-n statement works. Example: I set our local wide digi to say, WIDE3-3. When a person has (in their home station) only APRS VIA WIDE in their digipath, do the nodes still repeat the signal from the home station 3 hops because our wide-digi is set up that way?? Reason I ask...I've been watching the distant digipaths quite a lot of late when the band is open. I'd see some stations seemingly have only one WIDE in their digipath, hence they seemed to make only one hop. I've also had people 2 hops out mention that they didn't see some of the local APRS ops, and I discover that those locals only had 1 WIDE in their digipath. That's why I'm confused. Do we set the digi to WIDE3-3, and our own stations to via wide? Or does the digi being set to WIDE3-3 mean that the digi ID's and beacons will automatically go out 3 hops, but we have to specify how many hops we want in our own digipaths? Due to our location, here on the east side of the north-south barrier that runs through the west-central portion of NC, we only see our friends to the west of the ridge when they hop around through Virginia and finally down to our digi. Unfortnately, their hops are usually used up before they get here. Confused :-), Dave WB4IUY From k4gps@bellsouth.net Tue Mar 03 19:22:55 1998 Received: from mail.mia.bellsouth.net (mail.mia.bellsouth.net [205.152.16.21]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id TAA20185; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 19:22:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from default (host-32-96-54-59.pbi.bellsouth.net [32.96.54.59]) by mail.mia.bellsouth.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA09108; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:22:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803040122.UAA09108@mail.mia.bellsouth.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Richard Garcia" Organization: FL APRS Users Group To: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:22:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: HELP: MFJ-1274 TNC Reply-to: k4gps@bellsouth.net CC: aprs-fl@tapr.org Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Can anyone help me with the following information I need: The correct DIP switch setting for 4800 and 9600 baud serial comms. and Pinout for the Radio connector on the back of the TNC. I am rebuilding my repeater/digi and hope to have it back up by Friday night but I cannot find my manual for this old thing. I tried firing it up and D/L the current settings before I replace the firmware. The last time I used it it worked well and I want to try to keep everything the same at the begining. Something must be wrong with my serial settings since I can't read anything at 300,.1200, 4800, or 9600 baud 8-N-1. I may have bumped one of the switches when I brought it down! k4gps@bellsouth.net Ex: N2CZF KA2FXA Jupiter Farms FL. http://aprs.florida.net http://www.radiotronics.com From kb2sfu@computer.net Tue Mar 03 19:51:29 1998 Received: from ns.computer.net (root@ns.computer.net [207.50.192.4]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id TAA21902 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 19:51:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from computer.net (brewster-ts1-port11.computer.net [207.50.195.82]) by ns.computer.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03024 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:52:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34FCB24A.A8424F99@computer.net> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 20:45:48 -0500 From: "Paul A. Glatz" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21620] Help: PK-900 Initaea.tnc commands References: <3.0.3.32.19980303121726.006a3240@mailhost.onramp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greg Higgins wrote: > I have been reading the docs for the "initaea.tnc and noticed the statement > "The pk-900 needs substantially different entries...Good luck!" Is there > anybody using the pk-900 that could provide me with this file? This is for > dosAPRS 8.13. THANKS > Greg Higgins > KB5GLV I've used a PK900 with WinAPRS2.11 and DosAPRS 8.13. The big "gotcha" is that APRS doesn't know how to set parameters for the VHF port. I've tried specifying dual-port but it doesn't put the '/' in. So it doesn't use any ALT-DIGI-PATHs that you may have set. So what I do is I'll set a path up like this: RELAY/APR813 via {digi-path} This condition exists in both DOS and WIN(MAC?) versions. 7 3 Vin station N2OHH From mnie@fuse.net Tue Mar 03 21:05:30 1998 Received: from enterprise.fuse.net (enterprise-new.fuse.net [206.230.21.97]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id VAA25481 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 21:05:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from nie1 (ajax-47.fuse.net [208.23.204.47]) by enterprise.fuse.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA06736 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:05:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:04:56 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD46F0.66EAC840.mnie@fuse.net> From: Michael Nie Reply-To: "mnie@fuse.net" To: "'aprssig@tapr.org'" Subject: Another QSY Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:04:55 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The KB8VMX-10 wide digipeater in western Cincinnati has QSY'd to 144.39 MHz. 73 Mike From kc5los@juno.com Tue Mar 03 22:04:52 1998 Received: from x3.boston.juno.com (x3.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.22]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id WAA27888 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:04:50 -0600 (CST) Received: (from kc5los@juno.com) by x3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id XTH22905; Tue, 03 Mar 1998 23:03:46 EST To: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 21:59:31 CST Subject: hp48 Message-ID: <19980303.220124.7758.2.kc5los@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,9-11 From: kc5los@juno.com (Jesse T Royall) I hope this is not off base... I am looking for a ascii version of a simple term program to get me started with a HP48 series calculator. eventually I am going mobile and try to use it with APRS in a simplified version... I am thinking along the lines of bearing and distances right now because of the memory restraints and I have herd about a PROPNET on 6 meters so that I can monitor distant stations and know when there is a opening without having to tote a laptop all the time..plus I don't have a Cig adapter for the laptop and want to get away from a inverter. besides the HP is alittle more portable than a laptop. jess _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From jono@webspun.com Tue Mar 03 22:34:21 1998 Received: from axon.axnet.com (axon.axnet.com [207.252.104.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id WAA29330 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:34:19 -0600 (CST) X-ROUTED: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:37:00 -0600 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Jono Received: from [207.252.105.57] [207.252.105.57] by axon.axnet.com with smtp id BGCECPCA ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:36:46 -0600 Subject: Here's one for you..... Date: Tue, 3 Mar 98 22:35:38 -0600 x-sender: jono@popmail.webspun.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: Jon Ogden To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: Ok, here's one for you guys. Let's see if anyone can help me with this one. Go ahead, I dare ya! :-) I have a Drake TR-33C (I call it a handie-draggie) that I would like to crystalize for 144.39 MHz and pretty much dedicate it to APRS. The problem is that I cannot find my doggone manual so I have no idea what the crystal formula is. Does anyone out there have a manual for this ancient beast that I could get a copy of? It would really make a nice packet radio. Sure it's only a couple of watts, but I can hit my local digi no-problemo. Or does anyone know where I can get a manual (cheap) for one of these? Thanks, Jon KE9NA ------------------------------------- Jon Ogden KE9NA http://www.qsl.net/ke9na "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." From bruninga@nadn.navy.mil Tue Mar 03 22:50:31 1998 Received: from arctic.nadn.navy.mil (arctic.nadn.navy.mil [131.121.8.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id WAA00187 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:50:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (bruninga@localhost) by arctic.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA18617; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:49:17 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.nadn.navy.mil: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:49:17 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: "Paul A. Glatz" cc: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21632] Re: Help: PK-900 Initaea.tnc commands In-Reply-To: <34FCB24A.A8424F99@computer.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Paul A. Glatz wrote: > I've used a PK900 with WinAPRS2.11 and DosAPRS 8.13. The big "gotcha" > is that APRS doesn't know how to set parameters for the VHF port. I've tried > specifying dual-port but it doesn't put the '/' in. So it doesn't use any > ALT-DIGI-PATHs that you may have set. So I set a path up like this: > > RELAY/APR813 via {digi-path} APRSdos REPLY/COMMENT: Correct. Whenever you enter a path into APRS for a dual port TNC, you have to put the dual path in there yourself as shown above. BUT do not use RELAY as shown above! RELAY should not be used on HF. Use NONE/APRxxx VIA DIGI,DIGIS, etc OR GATE,WIDE/APRxxx VIA etc... Reply mail addr: wb4apr@amsat.org US mail address: 115 old Farm Ct, Glen Burnie, MD 21060 See DAYTON97 HISTORY: http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/dayton.html See Maryland APRS LIVE: http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/aprs.html See GPS on ANY radio: http://www.tapr.org/tapr/html/mic-e.html From jeffb@espi.com Tue Mar 03 22:54:21 1998 Received: from mork.stans.com (mork.stans.com [209.42.7.15]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id WAA00281 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:54:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from dial15.stans.com (dial15.stans.com [209.42.7.115]) by mork.stans.com (NTMail 3.03.0013/1.ab4a) with ESMTP id ba164243 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:53:45 -0600 Message-ID: <34FCDEE4.1658@espi.com> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 22:56:04 -0600 From: Jeff Brenton Reply-To: jeffb@espi.com Organization: Engineered Software Products Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aprssig Subject: Radio Shack Digis and 144.39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a note to everyone who is currently using a Radio Shack HTX-212 in a digi that will be moving to 144.39... Make sure you have done the "Extend the Transmit Frequency Range" mod that is listed in your manual, or your digi won't transmit! By default, the LOWEST frequency a '212 will transmit on is 144.600, which presents a problem for 144.390 ops. The mod is to hold down the F and DTMF while turning on the radio, which will allow TX from 143.000 to 149.000 MHz. The HTX-242 already transmits down to 144.000, so you do NOT have to extend its frequency range for the QSY. -- Jeff Brenton, Ham Radio call KA9VNV Questionable web page: http://www.dididahdahdidit.com Selling some toys: http://www.espi.com/ForSale.html From kd4moj@kd4moj.org Tue Mar 03 23:34:53 1998 Received: from kd4moj.org (kd4moj.org [199.44.117.30]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id XAA02334; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:34:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from doug.supernet.net (tlh36.supernet.net [199.44.25.101]) by kd4moj.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA04603; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 01:25:13 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980304003428.0073ce00@kd4moj.org> X-Sender: kd4moj@kd4moj.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 00:34:28 -0500 To: k4gps@bellsouth.net From: Doug Ferrell Subject: Re: [APRS-FL:1861] HELP: MFJ-1274 TNC Cc: aprs-fl@tapr.org, aprssig@tapr.org In-Reply-To: <199803040122.UAA09108@mail.mia.bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:24 PM 3/3/98 -0600, you wrote: >Can anyone help me with the following information > >I need: >The correct DIP switch setting for 4800 and 9600 baud serial comms. >and >Pinout for the Radio connector on the back of the TNC. Here are the switch settings for the 1270 which may or may not be similar with 1274 settings. Switches 6-8 are used for the tnc radio baud rate Baud Switches 1 2 3 4 5 300 ON OFF OFF OFF OFF 1200 OFF ON OFF OFF OFF 2400 OFF OFF ON OFF OFF 4800 OFF OFF OFF ON OFF 9600 OFF OFF OFF OFF ON 19200 ON OFF OFF OFF OFF I have used mine from 1200-9600 with no problems. Currently set to 9600 since I don't use a GPS with my 1270 +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Doug Ferrell Voice (904) 575-7119 | | kd4moj@kd4moj.org, http://www.kd4moj.org Fax (904) 575-6577 | | Amateur Radio & Television (ATV), APRS APRS 145.790 Mhz | _| 3027.27N / 08420.80W Tallahassee Florida 131.8 CTCSS 444.400 Mhz |_ From wa6ylb@theworks.com Wed Mar 04 00:06:13 1998 Received: from ns.theworks.com (root@ns.theworks.com [206.171.181.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id AAA07501 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 00:06:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from default (visalia26.theworks.com [209.77.229.126]) by ns.theworks.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA13821; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:04:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803040604.WAA13821@ns.theworks.com> X-Sender: wa6ylb@mail.theworks.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 22:04:04 -0800 To: jono@webspun.com From: Byron Smith Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21635] Here's one for you..... Cc: aprssig@tapr.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" U betcha - I have a manual for this- I converted mine for Wx satelite work. It only takes one crystal. You could just call International Crystal in Oklahoma City, and order one. I did for Wx channels. I believe its (F-10.7Mhz)/3 - they use only one crystal. They hetrodyne a seperate crystal against the Fo * 3, to get +600, -600, or simplex. this is why it takes a single crystal. (you pop in one crystal, and set the other knob for Simplex) >Does anyone out there have a manual for this ancient beast that I could >get a copy of? It would really make a nice packet radio. Sure it's only >a couple of watts, but I can hit my local digi no-problemo. > >Or does anyone know where I can get a manual (cheap) for one of these? I did run this same rig on packet, doing the same thing your wanting to do. I built up a cable from the radio to the TNC. Its the first time I ran into a ground loop. I thought I was doing "real" good. I had some cable that has a real nice shield on it. I then proceeded to connect the shield at both the tnc and the radio side of things. I had such a buzz and distortion in the audio, it wasnt funny. When I disconnected one side of the shield, and then ran a ground wire inside, along with the rest of the normal wires (mic hi, rx audio, ptt etc) the problem was solved. email me direct about the manual. Byron Smith wa6ylb@theworks.com - Webpage: http://www.theworks.com/~wa6ylb wa6ylb@wa6ylb.#cca.ca.usa.noam If a man makes a statement, deep in the forest, and there isn't a woman around to hear him, is he still wrong? From cap@cruzio.com Wed Mar 04 00:16:43 1998 Received: from mail.cruzio.com (root@mail.cruzio.com [208.226.92.37]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id AAA09204 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 00:16:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from cap-s-p90 (sa-208-226-93-127.cruzio.com [208.226.93.127]) by mail.cruzio.com with SMTP id WAA07967; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:16:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980303221620.00884de0@mail.cruzio.com> X-Sender: cap@mail.cruzio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 22:16:20 -0800 To: ku0g@kcaprs.org, aprssig@tapr.org From: Cap Pennell Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21553] Kansas City/W MO QSY... In-Reply-To: <34F9DCF8.E1FAA719@kcaprs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I would like to congratulate Jim KU0G and the KCAWG for having the wisdom and courage to take this bold QSY step for the future of APRS, the manned spaceflight program, and amateur radio in general. FB! 73, Cap KE6AFE At 04:11 PM 3/1/98 -0600, Jim Duncan wrote: >As of 1600 CST, the Kansas City area and it's associated digipeaters >have moved to 144.39 MHz. A crossband link between 144.39 and 145.79 >will be operational in the next 24 hours to keep network connectivity >available during the transition. > >-- >73 de Jim, KU0G >Chairman/Coordinator >Kansas City APRS Working Group, W0APR >Rogue Squadron Storm Chasers >Mailto:ku0g@kcaprs.org >Webpage: http://www.kcaprs.org >BorgNet: 1st of 10 -- Cap Pennell Santa Cruz, CA 95062-1002 3658.93N/12200.91W [CM86xx] email: cap@cruzio.com home page: http://members.cruzio.com/~cap packet radio: KE6AFE @ki6eh.#wcca.ca.usa.noam From shagerty@gte.net Wed Mar 04 03:34:20 1998 Received: from smtp1.mailsrvcs.net (smtp1.gte.net [207.115.153.30]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id DAA28299 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 03:34:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from kennethl (1Cust159.tnt1.angola.in.da.uu.net [208.255.229.159]) by smtp1.mailsrvcs.net with SMTP id DAA06841; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 03:34:05 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003901bd4751$079e9b80$9fe5ffd0@kennethl> From: "Stacy Hagerty" To: , Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21638] Re: [APRS-FL:1861] HELP: MFJ-1274 TNC Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 04:36:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 MFJ-1270C, MFJ-1274 and MFJ-1276 are identical TNC's except for the led. Jumper settings are identical. -----Original Message----- From: Doug Ferrell To: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 1:04 AM Subject: [APRSSIG:21638] Re: [APRS-FL:1861] HELP: MFJ-1274 TNC >At 07:24 PM 3/3/98 -0600, you wrote: >>Can anyone help me with the following information >> >>I need: >>The correct DIP switch setting for 4800 and 9600 baud serial comms. >>and >>Pinout for the Radio connector on the back of the TNC. > >Here are the switch settings for the 1270 which may or may not be similar >with 1274 settings. Switches 6-8 are used for the tnc radio baud rate > > >Baud Switches 1 2 3 4 5 >300 ON OFF OFF OFF OFF >1200 OFF ON OFF OFF OFF >2400 OFF OFF ON OFF OFF >4800 OFF OFF OFF ON OFF >9600 OFF OFF OFF OFF ON >19200 ON OFF OFF OFF OFF > > > I have used mine from 1200-9600 with no problems. Currently set to 9600 >since I don't use a GPS with my 1270 > > +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Doug Ferrell Voice (904) 575-7119 | > | kd4moj@kd4moj.org, http://www.kd4moj.org Fax (904) 575-6577 | > | Amateur Radio & Television (ATV), APRS APRS 145.790 Mhz | > _| 3027.27N / 08420.80W Tallahassee Florida 131.8 CTCSS 444.400 Mhz |_ > From evm@evmhhw.demon.nl Wed Mar 04 07:37:12 1998 Received: from post.demon.nl (post.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id HAA14624 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:37:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from evmhhw.demon.nl ([195.173.226.24]) by post.demon.nl id aa0010134; 4 Mar 98 14:35 MET Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:35:28 +0100 Message-ID: <01BD477A.C6C16FF0.evm@evmhhw.demon.nl> From: Ed van Mol Reply-To: "evm@evmhhw.demon.nl" To: "'aprssig@tapr.org'" Subject: WinAprs: Baro not < then 1000mBar ?? Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:33:33 +0100 Organization: Demon X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I see barometric values not below 1000mBar in Winaprs 2.12.(from dosstations) Is it a bug or something else ? Delete NOSPAM for reply. Name: Ed van Mol Email: evm@evmhhw.demonNOSPAM.nl http://www.evmhhw.demon.nl/ From deh25125@glaxowellcome.com Wed Mar 04 07:45:25 1998 Received: from firewall1-int.glaxowellcome.com (firewall-user@firewall1.glaxowellcome.com [192.58.204.204]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id HAA14814 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:45:24 -0600 (CST) Received: by firewall1-int.glaxowellcome.com id IAA17419; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:56:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by ussun2m.glaxo.com id IAA06024; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:42:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by us1n36.glaxo.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:45:37 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Hockaday, Dave" To: "'APRS Sig'" Subject: more widen-n questions, and ack problems Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:45:29 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Hi, I'm running DOS APRS, and finally getting the hang of most of it's functions. I was having a problem, and wonder if my solution was correct, and if any of you have had a similar problem. The problem was: * When people would send me a message more than about 26 columns long, they'd never get the ack back from me...so, consequently, they would continue to send the note over and over (even though I'd received it). I watched in the View buffer, and realized that the number of letters they could put in a message would be partially dependent on their digipath. I would see their digipath, my call (if the message was sent to me), and the message. If I didn't see the end of the message before my terminal inserted a CR, I'd never send an ack. What I did, was to set my SCreenln-n in the TNC to 0 (off) instead of it's default of 80 columns. That seems to have cured the problem, but I wonder if I should have handled this some other way. Have any of you experienced this problem? * Next question is about the WIDEn-n parameters. I have set the local wide-digi to APRS VIA WIDE3-3,TRACE3-3. Now, it seems that affects only the wide-digi's beacons and ID's. If a user has a digipath of APRS VIA WIDE, he would still only go out one hop, right?? If that's so, can individual users put the WIDEn-n statement in their digipath, even if their own personal tnc doesn't support it? Wouldn't the wide digi take over and increment the wide counters each hop? Thanks for your help. I'm still "wet behind the ears" and trying to grasp all of this neat technology. 73 Dave Wb4IUY From deh25125@glaxowellcome.com Wed Mar 04 07:47:41 1998 Received: from firewall1-int.glaxowellcome.com (firewall-user@firewall1.glaxowellcome.com [192.58.204.204]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id HAA14850 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:47:40 -0600 (CST) Received: by firewall1-int.glaxowellcome.com id IAA17810; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by ussun2m.glaxo.com id IAA06398; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:44:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by us1n36.glaxo.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:47:53 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Hockaday, Dave" To: "'APRS Sig'" Subject: APRS HF gate Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:47:45 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain I saw, on the map last weekend, a station in western NC who had a new gateway operational. We're working on ours over here in east Raleigh, and I have a couple questions. Would you email me direct if you're on the reflector? My address here is deh25125@glaxowellcome.com Thanks, Dave Wb4IUY From ke6nyt@fishnet.net Wed Mar 04 07:51:27 1998 Received: from big.fishnet.net (root@big.fishnet.net [205.216.133.3]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id HAA15200 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:51:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from ke6nyt.fishnet.net (port049.vta.fishnet.net [205.216.133.198]) by big.fishnet.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA06293 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 05:50:27 -0800 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 05:50:27 -0800 Message-Id: <199803041350.FAA06293@big.fishnet.net> X-Sender: ke6nyt@mail.fishnet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: aprssig@tapr.org From: ke6nyt@fishnet.net (Dan Dicke) Subject: SOCAL QSY 144.39 All SOCAL APRSers: Has there been an attempt to set a date when SOCAL (i.e. Santa Barbara to San Diego Counties) are planning to QSY to 144.39? Thought O moosed something because last night at our Section ARES/RACES meeting someone mentioned that they had heard that APRS was QSYing to 144.39. I told them that I would check into it. I know that the discussion has been going on for about 6 months and that some of the Eastern states are changing. Let me know. 73 Dan Dicke KE6NYT ARES/RACES Ventura County From portera_anthony@jpmorgan.com Wed Mar 04 08:13:12 1998 Received: from jpmorgan.com (threshold3.jpmorgan.com [169.71.13.12]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id IAA16504 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:13:11 -0600 (CST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by jpmorgan.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA07866 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:11:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrszip.ny.jpmorgan.com(146.149.1.249) by threshold3.jpmorgan.com via smap (4.1) id xma007156; Wed, 4 Mar 98 09:10:30 -0500 Received: from nyc_dev_n01.ny.jpmorgan.com (nyc_dev_n01.ny.jpmorgan.com [198.75.84.167]) by mrszip.ny.jpmorgan.com (8.8.4/8.7.6) with SMTP id JAA25201 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:10:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by nyc_dev_n01.ny.jpmorgan.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.4 3-18-1997)) id 852565BD.004D84A0 ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:06:42 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: JPMORGAN@SMTP From: "Anthony Portera" To: aprssig@tapr.org Message-ID: <852565BD.004D4CC7.00@nyc_dev_n01.ny.jpmorgan.com> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:03:09 -0400 Subject: Long Island Digi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I have placed an APRS Wide digi on 144.390 for the Eastern Long Island Area. 73 Tony From jeffb@espi.com Wed Mar 04 09:07:21 1998 Received: from mork.stans.com (mork.stans.com [209.42.7.15]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id JAA19310 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:07:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from dial56.stans.com (dial56.stans.com [209.42.7.156]) by mork.stans.com (NTMail 3.03.0013/1.ab4a) with ESMTP id la164487 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:06:40 -0600 Message-ID: <34FD6DC2.3CCE@espi.com> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 09:05:38 -0600 From: Jeff Brenton Reply-To: jeffb@espi.com Organization: Engineered Software Products, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Harbaugh CC: aprssig Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21436] Frequency Map References: <01bd4767$b5d54b20$563479cf@n3nri> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Misconception alert! I'm not mapping individual digipeaters on the APRS Frequency Map; the boxes shown on the map were drawn there by WinAPRS when I posted the latest-at-the-time DIGIS.POS file, which was obtained from APRS813. If you aren't in there, it's because you haven't told APR about your digi. If you want your digi to plot, make sure that Bob Bruninga knows about it, to get it into DIGIS.POS. As I generate each future map, I will do the same thing I've done on this map - plot DIGIS.POS, grab the raw map, and color it in with the appropriate frequencies. If you aren't in DIGIS.POS, you will NOT have a box on the frequency map, plain and simple. I *will* take reports of frequency, and paint the appropriate coverage areas (or whole states, if it is a state-wide policy on a particular frequency) in the correct color for that frequency. Check http://www.dididahdahdidit.com/APRSFreq.htm and see if your area is properly reported. And make sure you send any new WIDE/RELAY digipeater notices to Bob Bruninga at bruninga@nadn.navy.mil, so that they can be included. [side note to Keith and Mark: a copy of the latest DOS DIGIS.POS file should be included with each update to Win/MacAPRS. The one that's in the distribution is even further out of date than what's been submitted to Bob] -- Jeff Brenton, Ham radio call KA9VNV http://www.espi.com Questionable web page: http://www.dididahdahdidit.com Covert supporter of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (tm) From jeffb@espi.com Wed Mar 04 09:13:33 1998 Received: from mork.stans.com (mork.stans.com [209.42.7.15]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id JAA19459 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:13:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from dial56.stans.com (dial56.stans.com [209.42.7.156]) by mork.stans.com (NTMail 3.03.0013/1.ab4a) with ESMTP id qa164492 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:13:00 -0600 Message-ID: <34FD6F3E.2C0D@espi.com> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 09:11:58 -0600 From: Jeff Brenton Reply-To: jeffb@espi.com Organization: Engineered Software Products, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deh25125@glaxowellcome.com CC: aprssig Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21643] more widen-n questions, and ack problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Make sure that your PACLEN is set to 0 or 255 (which is best depends upon your TNC), and that the person sending you messages has done the same. The sender probably has PACLEN set to 70 or 72. Doing this "breaks" the message protocol, since the message gets broken into two pieces after a certain length. The first won't have a number attached to it, so APRS has no idea how to ACK it... THAT will be in a separate packet, wit the balance of the message, which won't be in "message" format, so APRS has no idea what to do with it! As for the question of why, when the digi's path is set to [fill in the blank], it doesn't affect stations digipeating through it, think about it... When you set a path of "WIDE", that's YOUR path, not the digipeaters. Try setting your path to WIDE3-3, and see what happens. The digi isn't going to change what you put in your path, although it will react differently to different keywords therein. -- Jeff Brenton, Ham radio call KA9VNV http://www.espi.com Questionable web page: http://www.dididahdahdidit.com Covert supporter of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (tm) From bruninga@nadn.navy.mil Wed Mar 04 09:21:56 1998 Received: from arctic.nadn.navy.mil (arctic.nadn.navy.mil [131.121.8.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id JAA20026 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:21:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (bruninga@localhost) by arctic.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA19166; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:21:48 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.nadn.navy.mil: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:21:48 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: "Hockaday, Dave" cc: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21643] more widen-n questions, and ack problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Hockaday, Dave wrote: > * When people would send me a message more than about 26 columns long, > they'd never get the ack back from me...so.. I set my SCreenln to 0 > (off) instead of it's default of 80 columns. That cured the problem... APRSdos REPLY/COMMENT: Correct. But APRS is supposed to force SCRN length to 0 automatically duirng its TNC INIT.. If it is not doing this, then please give details... bob From bruninga@nadn.navy.mil Wed Mar 04 09:24:12 1998 Received: from arctic.nadn.navy.mil (arctic.nadn.navy.mil [131.121.8.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id JAA20080 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:24:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (bruninga@localhost) by arctic.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA19833; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:23:56 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.nadn.navy.mil: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:23:56 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: "Hockaday, Dave" cc: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21643] more widen-n questions, and ack problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Hockaday, Dave wrote: > * Next question is about the WIDEn-n parameters. I have set the local > wide-digi to APRS VIA WIDE3-3,TRACE3-3. Now, it seems that affects only the > wide-digi's beacons and ID's. If a user has a digipath of APRS VIA WIDE, he > would still only go out one hop, right?? APRSdos REPLY/COMMENT: Yep, the unproto settings in a TNC only affect its own packets. The ALIASES or UIDIGI settings in the digipeater determine how it will digipeat. Reply mail addr: wb4apr@amsat.org US mail address: 115 old Farm Ct, Glen Burnie, MD 21060 See DAYTON97 HISTORY: http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/dayton.html See Maryland APRS LIVE: http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/aprs.html See GPS on ANY radio: http://www.tapr.org/tapr/html/mic-e.html From bruninga@nadn.navy.mil Wed Mar 04 09:34:15 1998 Received: from arctic.nadn.navy.mil (arctic.nadn.navy.mil [131.121.8.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id JAA20738 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:34:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (bruninga@localhost) by arctic.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA22354 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:34:15 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.nadn.navy.mil: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:34:15 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: 145.79 Crutches Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In all this flurry of QSYiing, dont overlook the potential for keeping an interim "ear" on 145.79. In our area, we have many members of the club with trackers rock bound on 145.79 and who will eventually move. But in the mean time, we are considering keeping a reeciveer on 145.79 centrally located which digipeats to the 144.39 network. This gives them time to move, and does not violate the spirit of the QSY initiative, since this crutch digi will not transmit on 79, and these mobiles are rarely on except for special events. de WB4APR US mail address: 115 old Farm Ct, Glen Burnie, MD 21060 See DAYTON97 HISTORY: http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/dayton.html See Maryland APRS LIVE: http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/aprs.html See GPS on ANY radio: http://www.tapr.org/tapr/html/mic-e.html From bruninga@nadn.navy.mil Wed Mar 04 09:41:29 1998 Received: from arctic.nadn.navy.mil (arctic.nadn.navy.mil [131.121.8.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id JAA21074 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:41:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (bruninga@localhost) by arctic.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA23824; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:41:26 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.nadn.navy.mil: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:41:26 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: Jeff Brenton cc: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21647] Re: Frequency Map In-Reply-To: <34FD6DC2.3CCE@espi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Jeff Brenton wrote that he is... > ...not mapping individual digipeaters on the APRS Frequency Map; the > boxes shown on the map were drawn there by WinAPRS when I posted the > latest-at-the-time DIGIS.POS file, which was obtained from APRS813. If > you aren't in there, it's because you haven't told APR about your digi. WB4APR comment: THanks for the plug. DIGIS.POS can be used in all versions of APRS to plot the locations of digipeaters. But digi owners must keep me informed of additions and corrections. In the past, all digis were assumed to be on 145.79 unless noted otherwise. In the future, digis will be assumed to be on 144.39 unless noted. So there is no need to send me QSY reports, or exceptions until this is all over. But if there is a digi, on any freq, then it should be in DIGIS.POS. Wide area digis only please.... de bob From byoung@cmh.edu Wed Mar 04 10:07:25 1998 Received: from exchange1.cmh.edu ([208.233.17.66]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id KAA22762 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:07:20 -0600 (CST) Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:13:57 -0600 Message-ID: <119D55D6D69FD011AB9B000092966BB42D22F3@EXCHANGE2> From: "Young, Bill" To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: RE: [APRSSIG:21651] 145.79 Crutches Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:08:40 -0600 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Bob and the group, The KCAWG is doing just that (in part because the xtals for my GE MastrII haven't arrived yet ). I have my rock-bound 145.790 station set up to "announce" that the Kansas City area APRS community has moved to 144.390, etc, etc... This means I serve a useful purpose while I "lag behind" my peers. Jim Duncan/KU0G is also in the process of setting up an old KPC-4 to act as an interim bridge. We want to make sure that no user gets "left behind" or is confused about our whereabouts! One surprising note has been the number of users (many of whom were very strongly in favor of the QSY...) that have been "bouncing back and forth" between 144.390 and 145.79! After we commited to QSY, announced a firm date for the move, and then actually "moved", I figured users would completely "abandon" 145.790. Seems those old habits die hard! Bill Young KB0UZQ > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Bruninga [SMTP:bruninga@nadn.navy.mil] > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 9:39 AM > To: aprssig@tapr.org > Subject: [APRSSIG:21651] 145.79 Crutches > > In all this flurry of QSYiing, dont overlook the potential for keeping > an > interim "ear" on 145.79. In our area, we have many members of the > club with trackers rock bound on 145.79 and who will eventually > move. But in the mean time, we are considering keeping a reeciveer on > 145.79 centrally located which digipeats to the 144.39 network. > > This gives them time to move, and does not violate the spirit of the > QSY > initiative, since this crutch digi will not transmit on 79, and these > mobiles are rarely on except for special events. > > de WB4APR > > US mail address: 115 old Farm Ct, Glen Burnie, MD 21060 > See DAYTON97 HISTORY: > http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/dayton.html > See Maryland APRS LIVE: http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/aprs.html > See GPS on ANY radio: http://www.tapr.org/tapr/html/mic-e.html From jreinh@ix.netcom.com Wed Mar 04 10:22:42 1998 Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id KAA23403 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:22:39 -0600 (CST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA28110 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:22:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from tok-ca1-22.ix.netcom.com(204.32.200.54) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma028091; Wed Mar 4 10:21:33 1998 Message-ID: <34FD7FF1.48A9@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 08:23:13 -0800 From: Jeff Reinhardt Reply-To: jreinh@ix.netcom.com Organization: Impossible Mission Force X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: [Fwd: Re: [APRSSIG:21645] SOCAL QSY 144.39] Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <34FD7FAF.7D6F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 08:22:07 -0800 From: Jeff Reinhardt Reply-To: jreinh@ix.netcom.com Organization: Impossible Mission Force X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ke6nyt@fishnet.net Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21645] SOCAL QSY 144.39 References: <199803041350.FAA06293@big.fishnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan and SoCal APRS Users: At this point, no firm date has been set for SoCal QSY. The effort to coordinate the QSY is being headed by Jim Keck, N6HNY. He has applied for coordinated placement in 144.39; that application is before TASMA for consideration. He has also sought the support of SCDCC (Southern California Digital Communications Council)and the ATV users. ATV is presently coordinated for voice simplex operation on 144.39 in all of Southern California. This makes it imperative that APRS visitors to SoCal DO NOT use 144.39 until a recoordination takes place. The status of the coordination efforts is: ATV users have agreed to move to a different freq if TASMA coordinates a freq for them. Then, TASMA must approve the application for coordination for APRS on to 144.39. Jim has devoted many hours to meetings, travel to those meetings and to the documentation needed to support the application to the coordinating body. His efforts have been genuine, diplomatic and gentlemanly. Any premature use of 144.39 could undo those efforts, which would be a shame. If/when there is any news about a QSY for SoCal, it will be posted on the APRS SIG and on the California reflector. Thanks to all for your cooperation, understanding and support. 73, Jeff AA6JR Member of the Board of Facilitators APA Digital Communications Network (Operators of the W6APA and W6APA-2 WIDE Digis) Dan Dicke wrote: > > All SOCAL APRSers: > Has there been an attempt to set a date when SOCAL (i.e. Santa Barbara to > San Diego Counties) are planning to QSY to 144.39? Thought O moosed > something because last night at our Section ARES/RACES meeting someone > mentioned that they had heard that APRS was QSYing to 144.39. I told them > that I would check into it. I know that the discussion has been going on > for about 6 months and that some of the Eastern states are changing. > > Let me know. > > 73 > Dan Dicke > KE6NYT > ARES/RACES Ventura County From saltair@xanadu2.net Wed Mar 04 10:33:56 1998 Received: from nexus.xanadu2.net ([206.242.128.50]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id KAA24136 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:33:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from [206.242.128.54] by nexus.xanadu2.net (SMTPD32-4.0) id A31A19FF009A; Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:36:42 -0600 From: "G. Salinas" To: , Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21623] Maps Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:32:53 -0600 Message-ID: <01bd478b$2ddc9920$3680f2ce@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 -----Original Message----- From: GStory@icomply.com To: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Tuesday, March 03, 1998 3:44 PM Subject: [APRSSIG:21623] Maps >Hello everyone, got a question about APRS maps, mainly in Texas. I >downloaded winaprs from TAPR last night. Are more detailed maps available >for the state or even North Texas? The view of Texas and Oklahoma is okay A detailed one for South Texas would also be nice. I discussed this with Mark at Orlando Hamfest several several years ago. 73 George KD4FJ From ku0g@kcaprs.org Wed Mar 04 10:54:21 1998 Received: from mail.kc.idir.net (mail.kc.idir.net [209.172.192.4]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id KAA25393 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:54:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from kcaprs.org (port15.max1.kc.idir.net [209.172.192.215]) by mail.kc.idir.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27209 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:54:15 -0600 Message-ID: <34FD87FC.2FC7E712@kcaprs.org> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:57:32 -0600 From: Jim Duncan Reply-To: ku0g@kcaprs.org Organization: Kansas City APRS Working Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "aprssig@tapr.org" Subject: KC area operating Dual Channel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is now a dual port VHF (invisible) gateway operating in Kansas City on both 144.39 and 145.79. I was able to get it finished yesterday afternoon. The 145.79 port is, unfortunately, limited to 5 watts at this point however this will change in time. The crossband link requires no intervention on the part of users however the link appears to be one-direction only (144.39 > 145.79) at this time. I don't see gating taking place the reverse direction. We're working on it, though! -- 73 de Jim, KU0G Chairman/Coordinator Kansas City APRS Working Group, W0APR Rogue Squadron Storm Chasers Mailto:ku0g@kcaprs.org Webpage: http://www.kcaprs.org BorgNet: 1st of 10 From dbolduc@richland.cc.il.us Wed Mar 04 11:33:05 1998 Received: from mail.richland.cc.il.us (root@mail.richland.cc.il.us [206.152.201.34]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id LAA27491 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:33:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from lrc-07.richland.cc.il.us (lrc-07.richland.cc.il.us [206.152.201.71]) by mail.richland.cc.il.us (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA15810 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:33:01 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980304113258.007019d8@richland.cc.il.us> X-Sender: dbolduc@richland.cc.il.us X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 11:32:58 -0600 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: David Bolduc Subject: Garmin 38 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A friend of mine recently purchased a Garmin GPS-38 unit. I am wondering if anyone out there has the pinout for the cable that connects between the GPS unit and the TNC. The manual lists the cable for $99. Thanks Dave, KB9FBG Dave, KB9FBG From z004391b@bc.seflin.org Wed Mar 04 11:50:06 1998 Received: from bc.seflin.org (z004391b@bc.seflin.org [199.227.192.20]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id LAA28431 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:49:00 -0600 (CST) Received: (from z004391b@localhost) by bc.seflin.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA20786; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:49:50 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:49:49 -0500 (EST) From: John W Wilson Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21622] 6m polarization To: Jon Ogden cc: aprssig@tapr.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I suggest that if you want to talk to locals go with vertical, and if you want to try for 6m dx then go horizontal and point it in your favorite direction. John W. Wilson, KN4HX z004391b@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Jon Ogden wrote: > Ok you 6 meter APRS guys out there... > > I've got a question for you. What polarization are you running for APRS? > Vertical or Horizontal? I suppose it doesn't really matter since > signals propagating by skip go through Faraday rotation (I think that's > what it's called) as they move through the ionosphere. > > I just came into possession of a 6 meter rig and would like to play with > APRS up there. I don't have enough equipment to devote to a 6 meter > station, but would like to play... > > 73, > > Jon > KE9NA > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Jon Ogden > > jono@webspun.com > > www.qsl.net/ke9na > > > "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." > > > From deh25125@glaxowellcome.com Wed Mar 04 12:08:20 1998 Received: from firewall1-int.glaxowellcome.com (firewall-user@firewall1.glaxowellcome.com [192.58.204.204]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id MAA29443 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:08:19 -0600 (CST) Received: by firewall1-int.glaxowellcome.com id NAA17503; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:19:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by ussun2m.glaxo.com id NAA12986; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:05:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by us1n36.glaxo.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:08:25 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Hockaday, Dave" To: "'APRS Sig'" Subject: QSY in NC,VA,and SC?? Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:08:23 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Will those of you on the reflector who operate wide-digid's in the NC,VA,and SC areas please drop me a note about your intentions to QSY? Our digi is very new, as are our users. Some of them are rock bound. Also, our wide-digi shares a repeater site with 6 other systems and will require some duplexer work to cohabitate with the 145.01 node and other equipment at the site. I don't want to tear everything up if the rest of the area is going to stay on 5.79. Thanks, Dave WB4IUY From bill.r.davis@lmco.com Wed Mar 04 12:27:20 1998 Received: from mailgw1a.lmco.com (mailgw1a.lmco.com [192.31.106.7]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id MAA00421 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:27:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from emss02g01.ems.lmco.com (relay2.ems.lmco.com [160.205.32.118]) by mailgw1a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA30379 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:27:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from emss07m01.lmtas.lmco.com ([143.114.73.35]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20543) with ESMTP id <0EPB00EB64L836@lmco.com> for aprssig@tapr.org; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:27:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by emss07m01.lmtas.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 04 Mar 1998 12:27:08 -0600 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 12:27:07 -0600 From: "Davis, Bill R" Subject: Apology To: "'aprssig@tapr.org'" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 I sincerely apologize to the entire SIG for my posting yesterday. Seems like I screwed up, that being my first posting to this SIG. For those 47 of you who replied telling me just how screwed up I was, you will not have to fear. I have requested an "un-subscribe" and I will move back the APRSa4 sig. Thanks for all your help. Bill KG5IE North Texas Balloon Project From aj4y@amsat.org Wed Mar 04 12:34:45 1998 Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.119.93]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id MAA03086; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:34:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi [206.173.119.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/01/20 5.9)) id NAA06597; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:34:30 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from aj4y.gte.net (ts003d10.lak-fl.concentric.net [206.83.70.70]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.8.8) id NAA09587; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:33:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34FD9E35.122B@amsat.org> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 13:32:21 -0500 From: Paul Womble X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aprs-fl@tapr.org CC: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Polk County Digi qsy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Polk County,FL digi has been qsy'ed to 144.390. Also, the call sign has changed from W4TJM to W4TJM-10. As soon as I can complete the trip around the county to all four remote wx sites, they will be on the new freq also. 73 de Paul AJ4Y -- Polk County Amateur Radio Information: http://www.concentric.net/~aj4y Florida Contest Group: http://www.4w.com/deemer/fcg.htm Florida QSO Party: http://home1.gte.net/wd4ahz/fcg/ssqp.htm From pmarkham@ns1.lagasco.com Wed Mar 04 12:50:26 1998 Received: from ns1.lagasco.com ([208.134.253.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id MAA10422 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:50:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from remote.lagasco.com ([208.134.253.35] (may be forged)) by ns1.lagasco.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA00103 for ; Wed, 04 Mar 1998 13:44:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199803041844.NAA00103@ns1.lagasco.com> From: "pmarkham" To: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:50:25 -0005 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: 813; F,,Z..... Eh? Priority: normal What happened to the Files, Zero command? Pete/wa4hei The meek will not inherit the Earth. From k5qq@juno.com Wed Mar 04 13:04:24 1998 Received: from m14.boston.juno.com (m14.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.193]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id NAA11137 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:04:22 -0600 (CST) Received: (from k5qq@juno.com) by m14.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id OdT11745; Wed, 04 Mar 1998 14:01:44 EST To: bruninga@nadn.navy.mil Cc: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:58:50 MST Subject: Re: Frequency Map Message-ID: <19980304.115858.22286.1.K5QQ@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-16,19-20 From: k5qq@juno.com (James J Baremore) On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:46:00 -0600 (CST) Bob Bruninga writes: But if there is a digi, on any freq, then it should be in >DIGIS.POS. Wide area digis only please.... > >de bob > The Albuquerque NM WIDE digi is K5CQH-1!3459.19N/10620.70W#PHG5637/APRS Search and Rescue Digipeater Drop me a note if you have any questions. Jim Baremore K5QQ@AOL.COM PS Having a lot of troubles getting our stations on 4.39 -- Poor Digipeater sensitivity, RFI into TNC's, RF feedback into mobiles. Seems like we are somehow cursed with this QSY _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From kd5xb@amsat.org Wed Mar 04 13:08:37 1998 Received: from mailserve.pdrpip.com (mailserve.pdrpip.com [207.108.255.253]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id NAA11391 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:08:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from server1.pdrpip.com (207.108.255.65) by mailserve.pdrpip.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 1.2.2) with SMTP id ; Wed, 04 Mar 1998 12:18:04 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980304120650.0072e920@mail.pdrpip.com> X-Sender: needhame@mail.pdrpip.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 12:06:50 -0700 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: Earl Needham Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21647] Re: Frequency Map In-Reply-To: <34FD6DC2.3CCE@espi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:08 AM 3/4/98 -0600, Jeff Brenton wrote: >Check http://www.dididahdahdidit.com/APRSFreq.htm and see if your area >is properly reported. This area isn't. Your map show us on 144.39. If anyone comes through here on 144.39, they won't get anywhere -- we're still mainly on 145.01. 7 3 Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, NM DM84 Registered: APRS/DOS & WinAPRS From pk@ij.net Wed Mar 04 13:31:23 1998 Received: from solomon (solomon.ij.net [207.22.166.254]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id NAA12529 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:31:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from [207.223.219.153] by solomon (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id qa730226 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:30:14 -0500 Message-ID: <003e01bd47a4$e5229760$99dbdfcf@pknupke.tdts.com> From: "Paul E. Knupke, Jr." To: Subject: Extraneous Data Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:36:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3007.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3007.0 I have a GPS-30 used with a Pico Packet Dual Port that I have setup as a tracker. So far it seems to work well. I get lock in usually no more than one minute on powerup. The question I have is that besides the $GPGGA string that my Pico is transmitting, it is also transmitting the $GPVTG strings as well! I can't find a way to stop the GPVTG from being captured and sent. What am I overlooking? thanks and 73, Paul KR4YL (Largo, FL) From dvanhorn@cedar.net Wed Mar 04 13:31:30 1998 Received: from www.cedar.net (www.cedar.net [204.95.210.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id NAA12550 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:31:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from xenu.iquest.net (and-001-1.iquest.net [206.53.241.65]) by www.cedar.net (8.8.5/SCO5) with SMTP id NAA05033 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:36:35 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199803041936.NAA05033@www.cedar.net> From: "David VanHorn" To: Subject: MFJ DataRadio Crystals Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:30:34 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 MFJ dataradio crystals: What's the best deal on price/performance, and how do I contact them to order? From mcarter@netopia.com Wed Mar 04 13:44:02 1998 Received: from io.Farallon.COM (io.farallon.com [163.176.4.31]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id NAA13318 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:44:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from waygate (waygate.farallon.com [163.176.8.12]) by io.Farallon.COM (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28496 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:43:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: 4 Mar 1998 11:42:38 U From: "Michael Carter" Subject: Serial port dilemna To: "APRSSig" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-MS 3.0.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdee all... I'm using a Mac with APRS and want to add input from a GPS unit. Problem = is, the particular Mac Powerbook I'm using only has one serial port (the = bane of may a PC notebook user). Is there any solution for this that anyone is aware of? How are most PC = notebook users managing to use both a TNC and GPS at the same time? Are = there TNC's that can handle GPS input, which would necessitate only a = single connection to the computer? -MikeC- From jono@webspun.com Wed Mar 04 13:55:25 1998 Received: from axon.axnet.com (axon.axnet.com [207.252.104.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id NAA14013 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:55:22 -0600 (CST) X-ROUTED: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:58:04 -0600 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Jono Received: from [207.252.105.130] [207.252.105.130] by axon.axnet.com with smtp id ANDJDABO ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:57:50 -0600 Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21660] Apology Date: Wed, 4 Mar 98 13:58:29 -0600 x-sender: jono@popmail.webspun.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Jon Ogden To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: >I sincerely apologize to the entire SIG for my posting yesterday. Seems >like I screwed up, that being my first posting to this SIG. For those >47 of you who replied telling me just how screwed up I was, you will not >have to fear. I have requested an "un-subscribe" and I will move back >the APRSa4 sig. > I sure didn't come across any "screwed up" message. I sure hope that we as a group don't run off people who seemingly ask "dumb" questions. We've all done that. Sure we get barraged with mail, but at least we learn. I'd say, stick around. 73, Jon KE9NA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Ogden jono@webspun.com www.qsl.net/ke9na "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." From rwf@mindspring.com Wed Mar 04 14:04:06 1998 Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id OAA14750 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:04:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from rwf.mindspring.com (user-38lcdci.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.53.146]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA27254 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:03:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803042003.PAA27254@camel8.mindspring.com> X-Sender: rwf@mail.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 12:40:58 -0500 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: rwf Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21647] Re: Frequency Map In-Reply-To: <34FD6DC2.3CCE@espi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This is also important because it is part of the criteria that is checked when users ask to be subscribed to the APRS Digipeater Owners mail list. To subscribe send a message to majordomo@lounet.com On the first line of the message place: subscribe digiowners At 09:08 AM 3/4/98 -0600, you wrote: > >Check http://www.dididahdahdidit.com/APRSFreq.htm and see if your area >is properly reported. And make sure you send any new WIDE/RELAY >digipeater notices to Bob Bruninga at bruninga@nadn.navy.mil, so that >they can be included. From sproul@ap.org Wed Mar 04 14:06:43 1998 Received: from janus.ap.org (eos.ap.org [165.1.6.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id OAA14992 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:06:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from [165.1.27.20] by janus.ap.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA28685; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:53:51 -0500 X-Sender: sproul@165.1.6.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:12:07 -0500 To: mcarter@netopia.com From: Mark Sproul Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21667] Serial port dilemna Cc: aprssig@tapr.org >Howdee all... > >I'm using a Mac with APRS and want to add input from a GPS unit. Problem = >is, the particular Mac Powerbook I'm using only has one serial port (the = >bane of may a PC notebook user). > >Is there any solution for this that anyone is aware of? How are most PC = >notebook users managing to use both a TNC and GPS at the same time? Are = >there TNC's that can handle GPS input, which would necessitate only a = >single connection to the computer? > >-MikeC- The normal solution on a PC is to use HSP, Hardware Switched Port, unfotunetaly I could not get proper control of the DTR line on the Mac. Therefore the suggested route is to get a Pico-Packet from Paccomm and use the secondary serial input in it. This does work well for both Mac and PCs Mark __________________________________________________________________________ Mark Sproul |Amateur Radio: KB2ICI Software Engineer @ Assoc Press | sproul@ap.org |Work: 609-860-7120 North Brunswick, NJ |Fax: 609-860-7129 http://msproul.rutgers.edu/ __________________________________________________________________________ From w2hpq@earthlink.net Wed Mar 04 14:11:33 1998 Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id OAA15269 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:11:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust23.tnt14.nyc3.da.uu.net [153.37.142.23]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01302; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:11:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34FD6F3C.6CA0FB15@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 15:11:57 +0000 From: Mike Marshall X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: portera_anthony@jpmorgan.com CC: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21646] Long Island Digi References: <852565BD.004D4CC7.00@nyc_dev_n01.ny.jpmorgan.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please. Where did you place it? LAT/LON ? de Mike, W2HE Anthony Portera wrote: > I have placed an APRS Wide digi on 144.390 for the Eastern Long Island > Area. > > 73 Tony From jono@webspun.com Wed Mar 04 14:36:26 1998 Received: from axon.axnet.com (axon.axnet.com [207.252.104.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id OAA16937 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:36:24 -0600 (CST) X-ROUTED: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:39:06 -0600 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Jono Received: from [207.252.105.130] [207.252.105.130] by axon.axnet.com with smtp id AOCGDDCA ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:38:52 -0600 Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21665] Extraneous Data Date: Wed, 4 Mar 98 14:39:32 -0600 x-sender: jono@popmail.webspun.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Jon Ogden To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: >I have a GPS-30 used with a Pico Packet Dual Port that I have setup as a >tracker. > >So far it seems to work well. I get lock in usually no more than one minute >on powerup. > >The question I have is that besides the $GPGGA string that my Pico is >transmitting, it is also transmitting the $GPVTG strings as well! > >I can't find a way to stop the GPVTG from being captured and sent. > The Pico has several registers in it that parse incoming GPS data. When it sees that, it then puts it into one of the appropriate location text buffers. The first one is GPSTEXT. Then there are several other ones as well. I think they are something like GP1TEXT, GP2TEXT, GP3TEXT. Don't quote me on those exactly, I don't have my maual in my office. Each of these can be set to a different NMEA string. For example, $GPGGA basically shows course and altitude. $GPRMC shows course and speed. I don't know what $GPVTG shows. It might be the satellite info for all I know. Anyhow, put whatever sting you want parsed into GPSTEXT ($GPGGA, etc.). If you don't want to transmit the other strings then set the other buffers to blank. The pico will then ignore all other GPS data. There are about 4 sentences that the GPS send out. You really can't change that. And it isn't extraneous. Also, the more data you have you pico recognizing, the more filled out your NMEA screen will be when running APRS from a Laptop. If it's a standalone tracker, then I wouldn't worry about it. I'd just use $GPRMC is the parsing string in my GPSTEXT field. Anxiously awaiting the return of my pico............ 73, Jon KE9NA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Ogden jono@webspun.com www.qsl.net/ke9na "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." From ksproul@rci.rutgers.edu Wed Mar 04 14:37:00 1998 Received: from erebus.rutgers.edu (erebus.rutgers.edu [165.230.116.132]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id OAA16999 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:36:58 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 12240 invoked by alias); 4 Mar 1998 20:36:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 12209 invoked from network); 4 Mar 1998 20:36:44 -0000 Received: from energizer.rutgers.edu (HELO ?128.6.18.58?) (128.6.18.58) by erebus.rutgers.edu with SMTP; 4 Mar 1998 20:36:44 -0000 X-Sender: ksproul@erebus.rutgers.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:35:18 -0500 To: GStory@icomply.com From: Keith Sproul Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21623] Maps Cc: aprssig@tapr.org >Hello everyone, got a question about APRS maps, mainly in Texas. I >downloaded winaprs from TAPR last night. Are more detailed maps available >for the state or even North Texas? The view of Texas and Oklahoma is okay >but for a county level event or a city it is just too big. Is there a zoom >feature is am looking over maybe? >Thanks in advance > > > >73 kc5goi >gstory@icomply.com We JUST finished doing ALL 250+ counties in Texas... From the TIGER data!! These are the REAL HIGH res maps.. WITH LABELS.. Currenlty we trying to add another hard drive to the aprs.rutgers.edu machine so we can put these up for downloading.. Hopefully this will be accomplished soon. We have also re-done florida and have a few other states ready to go as soon as I get the disk space.. Keith Keith Sproul ksproul@rci.rutgers.edu WU2Z Student Housing Network Coordinator 732 445-3695 W Rutgers University Computing Services 732 821-4828 H From GStory@icomply.com Wed Mar 04 14:41:33 1998 Received: from lew_prods1.icomply.com (lew_prods1.icomply.com [38.223.45.65]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id OAA17116 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:41:31 -0600 (CST) From: GStory@icomply.com Received: by lew_prods1.icomply.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:37:37 -0600 Message-ID: To: ksproul@rci.rutgers.edu Cc: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: RE: [APRSSIG:21623] Maps Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:37:36 -0600 Return-Receipt-To: GStory@icomply.com X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) KOOOOL!!!!. Thanks Keith, I am going to do an APRS topic in the next month or two for my club in Denton County. The new map will be great. Thanks again. 73 KC5GOI > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Sproul [SMTP:ksproul@rci.rutgers.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 2:35 PM > To: Guy Story > Cc: aprssig@tapr.org > Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21623] Maps > > >Hello everyone, got a question about APRS maps, mainly in Texas. I > >downloaded winaprs from TAPR last night. Are more detailed maps available > >for the state or even North Texas? The view of Texas and Oklahoma is > okay > >but for a county level event or a city it is just too big. Is there a > zoom > >feature is am looking over maybe? > >Thanks in advance > > > > > > > >73 kc5goi > >gstory@icomply.com > > > > We JUST finished doing ALL 250+ counties in Texas... From the TIGER > data!! > These are the REAL HIGH res maps.. WITH LABELS.. > > Currenlty we trying to add another hard drive to the aprs.rutgers.edu > machine so we can put these up for downloading.. Hopefully this will be > accomplished soon. > > We have also re-done florida and have a few other states ready to go as > soon as I get the disk space.. > > Keith > > Keith Sproul ksproul@rci.rutgers.edu WU2Z > Student Housing Network Coordinator 732 445-3695 W > Rutgers University Computing Services 732 821-4828 H > From jono@webspun.com Wed Mar 04 14:49:43 1998 Received: from axon.axnet.com (axon.axnet.com [207.252.104.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id OAA17789 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:49:40 -0600 (CST) X-ROUTED: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:52:22 -0600 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Jono Received: from [207.252.105.130] [207.252.105.130] by axon.axnet.com with smtp id AODEADBI ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:52:08 -0600 Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21667] Serial port dilemna Date: Wed, 4 Mar 98 14:52:44 -0600 x-sender: jono@popmail.webspun.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Jon Ogden To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: >Howdee all... > >I'm using a Mac with APRS and want to add input from a GPS unit. Problem = >is, the particular Mac Powerbook I'm using only has one serial port (the = >bane of may a PC notebook user). > >Is there any solution for this that anyone is aware of? How are most PC = >notebook users managing to use both a TNC and GPS at the same time? Are = >there TNC's that can handle GPS input, which would necessitate only a = >single connection to the computer? Hi Mike, Well, I have the same dilema as you! There are several choices. They are: 1.) I assume that your Powerbook has a PC card slot (I have a 5300). You can purchase PC card serial cards. Socket Communication (www.socketcom.com) sells such devices. CompUSA carries these for about $150 and they ARE Mac Compatible. This would solve the problem. 2.) Purchase a Pico Packet. The pico packet with the second serial port is a really nice way to go. The GPS data is fed into the TNC and then some of it is sent back to the laptop when connected. It works well. Also, this will alow you to use your equipment as a standalone tracker when you don't have your laptop with you. They aren't cheap though (~$200.00). 3.) Transistor Switch the two serial lines. It takes a little doing but you can put together an HSP cable that will switch between the two serial lines at various time intervals. Bascially, you combine both the TNC and GPS lines and use a transistor to switch between them. A lot of guys do this. Lots of PC folks do it, but I don't know of many Mac folks that do. 4.) Use a hand switch. I was doing this for a while. I had an A/B switch in the car that I would use to switch between the two serial devices manaully. It's crude, but works. IMHO, the serial card or the Pico are the best solutions. However, the pico is probably the most elegant. Keep in mind that if you are running strictly off the laptop batteries, they don't last long (2.5 to 3 hours). If you are doing a LOT of driving, you can run out of batteries quickly. The Pico has had some quality issues though in the past, but from what I know, most people aren't having problems any more. Get a brand new one, not a used one. Regardless, PacComm is VERY good at taking care of the problems and fixing things. They are doing that for me as we speak. Also, for all but the first option you will need to check the box in the GPS setup menu in MacAPRS that says "accept GPS data on VHF TNC port." Also, they should be adding some other stuff to MacAPRS that adds some additional functionality for the pico (it's in the Windoze version but got inadvertantly left out of the Mac version). Have fun and hope to see you out there. I hope this helps. 73, Jon KE9NA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Ogden jono@webspun.com www.qsl.net/ke9na "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." From clark@tomcat.gsfc.nasa.gov Wed Mar 04 14:50:44 1998 Received: from leo.gsfc.nasa.gov (leo.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.201.64]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id OAA17854 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:50:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from scheat.gsfc.nasa.gov by leo.gsfc.nasa.gov; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:50:38 -0500 Message-Id: <34FDBE9D.9FAA4DC2@tomcat.gsfc.nasa.gov> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 15:50:37 -0500 From: "Dr Thomas A Clark (W3IWI)" Reply-To: clark@tomcat.gsfc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA/GSFC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: pk@ij.net Cc: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21665] Extraneous Data References: <003e01bd47a4$e5229760$99dbdfcf@pknupke.tdts.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul (KR4YL) wrote: > > I have a GPS-30 used with a Pico Packet Dual Port that I have setup as a > tracker. > > So far it seems to work well. I get lock in usually no more than one minute > on powerup. > > The question I have is that besides the $GPGGA string that my Pico is > transmitting, it is also transmitting the $GPVTG strings as well! > > I can't find a way to stop the GPVTG from being captured and sent. > > What am I overlooking? Take a look at the Garmin documentation and you will find that the $GPRMO message can be used to turn on/off any of the NMEA messages. They default to all messages ON. If you don't have the documentation, fetch the PDF file from my aleph file server at URL ftp://aleph.gsfc.nasa.gov/GPS/garmin/gps30.pdf and look at pages 20/21 (PDF pages 25/26). The (important parts of the ) format you send reads like $PGRMO,xxxxx,N where xxxxx is the NMEA command (like GPVTG) and N=0/1 to turn the message OFF/ON. Also $GPRMO,,2 turns ALL messages OFF, so that you can turn them on one at a time, and $GPRMO,,3 (also power-on default) turns them all ON. The same aleph URL has PDF-format documentation on the other Garmin OEM and "hockey puck" receivers. This material was made available on floppies by Garmin to those attending last fall's TAPR/ARRL DCC in MD. 73, Tom From portera_anthony@jpmorgan.com Wed Mar 04 14:53:38 1998 Received: from jpmorgan.com (threshold3.jpmorgan.com [169.71.13.12]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id OAA18014 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:53:36 -0600 (CST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by jpmorgan.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA01262 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:53:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrszip.ny.jpmorgan.com(146.149.1.249) by threshold3.jpmorgan.com via smap (4.1) id xma000820; Wed, 4 Mar 98 15:52:42 -0500 Received: from nyc_ntgw_n03.ny.jpmorgan.com (nyc_ntgw_n03.ny.jpmorgan.com [198.75.84.104]) by mrszip.ny.jpmorgan.com (8.8.4/8.7.6) with SMTP id PAA00326 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:52:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by nyc_ntgw_n03.ny.jpmorgan.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.4 3-18-1997)) id 852565BD.00728756 ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:50:57 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: JPMORGAN@SMTP From: "Anthony Portera" To: aprssig@tapr.org Message-ID: <852565BD.00723E18.00@nyc_ntgw_n03.ny.jpmorgan.com> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:50:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21671] Re: Long Island Digi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII The digi is at 4057.49N 7255.36W in Rocky Point NY If you need more info let me know. 73 Tony w2hpq @ earthlink.net (Mike Marshall) on 03/04/98 02:19:30 PM To: aprssig @ tapr.org @ SMTP cc: (bcc: Anthony Portera) Subject: [APRSSIG:21671] Re: Long Island Digi Please. Where did you place it? LAT/LON ? de Mike, W2HE Anthony Portera wrote: > I have placed an APRS Wide digi on 144.390 for the Eastern Long Island > Area. > > 73 Tony From mwknapp@hotmail.com Wed Mar 04 14:59:56 1998 Received: from hotmail.com (f133.hotmail.com [207.82.251.12]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id OAA18353 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:59:46 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 27193 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 1998 20:59:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19980304205902.27192.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.95.234.151 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Mar 1998 12:59:02 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.95.234.151] From: "Mike Knapp" To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: freq change Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 12:59:02 PST to those who may drive (w/ trackers) near the conjunction of Interstate 96 and Interstate 94 in Southwest Michigan, my digi (KB8UKP) will be changing frequency at 0:00 UTC on March 14. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From mwknapp@hotmail.com Wed Mar 04 15:02:17 1998 Received: from hotmail.com (f123.hotmail.com [207.82.251.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id PAA18525 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:02:03 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 29572 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 1998 21:01:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19980304210131.29571.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.95.234.151 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Mar 1998 13:01:31 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.95.234.151] From: "Mike Knapp" To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: freq change: you might want the frequency ;) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 13:01:31 PST to those who may drive (w/ trackers) near the conjunction of Interstate 96 and Interstate 94 in Southwest Michigan, my digi (KB8UKP) will be changing frequency to 144.39 MHz at 0:00 UTC on March 14. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From milnes@openix.com Wed Mar 04 15:14:47 1998 Received: from openix.com (pantera.openix.com [206.64.16.200]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id PAA20307 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:14:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from -ppp.openix.com (async23.openix.com [206.64.18.23]) by openix.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA05860; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:21:20 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980304161157.00793e20@openix.com> X-Sender: milnes@openix.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 16:11:57 -0500 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: Ralph Milnes Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21665] Extraneous Data Cc: pk@ij.net In-Reply-To: <003e01bd47a4$e5229760$99dbdfcf@pknupke.tdts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Paul - Use the DISP command to see your GPSTEXT setting, plus your LG1TEXT, LG2TEXT, and LG3TEXT settings. One should be set to $GPGGA as you want. Another is probably set to $GPVTTG or something beginning with the characters in $GPVTG, i.e. a $, $G, $GP, etc . You can cancel a setting and stop the problem by entering the % symbol, e.g. LG2TEXT %. Another possibility is that you have "left over" data stored in one of the text buffers: LTEXT, L1TEXT, L2TEXT, or L3TEXT. Once again, set the offending buffer to nothing by using the % symbol, e.g. LTEXT %. Let us know if that works or not. Ralph, KC2RLM >The question I have is that besides the $GPGGA string that my Pico is >transmitting, it is also transmitting the $GPVTG strings as well! > >I can't find a way to stop the GPVTG from being captured and sent. > >What am I overlooking? > >thanks and 73, >Paul >KR4YL (Largo, FL) From mcarter@netopia.com Wed Mar 04 15:25:00 1998 Received: from io.Farallon.COM (io.farallon.com [163.176.4.31]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id PAA21420 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:24:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from waygate (waygate.farallon.com [163.176.8.12]) by io.Farallon.COM (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA00037; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:24:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: 4 Mar 1998 13:23:33 U From: "Michael Carter" Subject: RE: [APRSSIG:21667] Serial port dilemna To: aprssig@tapr.org, "Jon Ogden" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-MS 3.0.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Jon & Dennis. Great information. :) For those interested, I just bought a Garmin GPS-12, and plan to use it = extensively at the home QTH and while out on the road and on Civil Air = Patrol missions. I *did* find a Garmin data cable for a scant $19!!! Check out West Coast = Marine here in beautiful Oakland, CA. -MikeC- ___________________________________________________________________________= ____ Hi Mike, Well, I have the same dilema as you! There are several choices. They are: 1.) I assume that your Powerbook has a PC card slot (I have a 5300). You can purchase PC card serial cards. Socket Communication (www.socketcom.com) sells such devices. CompUSA carries these for about $150 and they ARE Mac Compatible. This would solve the problem. 2.) Purchase a Pico Packet. The pico packet with the second serial port is a really nice way to go. The GPS data is fed into the TNC and then some of it is sent back to the laptop when connected. It works well. Also, this will alow you to use your equipment as a standalone tracker when you don't have your laptop with you. They aren't cheap though (~$200.00). 3.) Transistor Switch the two serial lines. It takes a little doing but you can put together an HSP cable that will switch between the two serial lines at various time intervals. Bascially, you combine both the TNC and GPS lines and use a transistor to switch between them. A lot of guys do this. Lots of PC folks do it, but I don't know of many Mac folks that do. 4.) Use a hand switch. I was doing this for a while. I had an A/B switch in the car that I would use to switch between the two serial devices manaully. It's crude, but works. IMHO, the serial card or the Pico are the best solutions. However, the pico is probably the most elegant. Keep in mind that if you are running strictly off the laptop batteries, they don't last long (2.5 to 3 hours). If you are doing a LOT of driving, you can run out of batteries quickly. The Pico has had some quality issues though in the past, but from what I know, most people aren't having problems any more. Get a brand new one, not a used one. Regardless, PacComm is VERY good at taking care of the problems and fixing things. They are doing that for me as we speak. Also, for all but the first option you will need to check the box in the GPS setup menu in MacAPRS that says "accept GPS data on VHF TNC port." Also, they should be adding some other stuff to MacAPRS that adds some additional functionality for the pico (it's in the Windoze version but got inadvertantly left out of the Mac version). Have fun and hope to see you out there. I hope this helps. 73, Jon KE9NA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= Jon Ogden jono@webspun.com www.qsl.net/ke9na "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." From Skip_Allison-CFAD07@email.mot.com Wed Mar 04 15:40:44 1998 Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id PAA22453 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:40:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id PAA11266 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:40:37 -0600 (CST) Comments: ( Received on motgate.mot.com from client pobox.mot.com, sender Skip_Allison-CFAD07@email.mot.com ) Received: from azbx.mot.com (azbx.mot.com [129.188.127.40]) by pobox.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id PAA26313 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:40:36 -0600 (CST) Received: by azbx.mot.com (1.37.109.24/16.2) id AA182357635; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:40:35 -0600 Received: by MOT; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:38:45 -0600 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:38:45 -0600 From: Skip Allison-CFAD07 Subject: RE: [APRSSIG:21667] Serial port dilemna To: aprssig@tapr.org Message-Id: <"Macintosh */PRMD=MOT/ADMD=MOT/C=US/"@MHS> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/STREAM To: APRS SIG From: Allison-CFAD07 Skip on Wed, Mar 4, 1998 3:30 PM Subject: RE: [APRSSIG:21667] Serial port dilemna _____________________________________________________________________________ __ To: aprssig@tapr.org@INTERNET From: mcarter@netopia.com@INTERNET on Mar 4, 1998 14:54 Subject: [APRSSIG:21667] Serial port dilemna Howdee all... I'm using a Mac with APRS and want to add input from a GPS unit. Problem = is, the particular Mac Powerbook I'm using only has one serial port (the = bane of may a PC notebook user). Is there any solution for this that anyone is aware of? How are most PC = notebook users managing to use both a TNC and GPS at the same time? Are = there TNC's that can handle GPS input, which would necessitate only a = single connection to the computer? -MikeC- I normally don't use a computer in the car - just the GPS (Motorola Oncore) rcvr talking to the TNC (KPC3). The KPC3 is in the GPS mode and sends out my location. SOMETIMES, I want to use my laptop computer (Win95/Pentium - MAC would work too) in the car, but I didn't want to re-configure my TNC and cabling. But I wanted to see MY location as well as everybody elses location. I considered the HSP cable, but that would require that I change the cabling and TNC configuration when I take the computer in and out of the car. Soooo, here's what I did: I have the output of the GPS rcvr going to the input of the TNC. The TNC is in the GPS mode, so it sends out my location as programmed. I have the serial output of the TNC going to the computer. The computer is running an APRS program (I can use DOS APRS or APRSA4 - both seem to work) The KPC3 sends received packets to the serial port even if it is in the GPS mode. So I see everybody elses locations on my computer. The computer serial output DOES NOT go to the TNC (since the TNC is in the GPS mode it wouldn't listen anyway) I just don't tell the APRS program that the TNC is not listening - it doesn't care too much. So the APRS program acts as a APRS receive only. But how do I see my own location you ask. . . I turned on a couple parameters in the TNC and the APRS computer sees the packets mt TNC is sending out. The parameters I turned on are: FULLdup on This turns on full duplex so the TNC can listen while it's transmitting. MXM on This allows monitoring of transmitted packets. Now the TNC sends the packets that are transmitted on the air down the serial line. I'm not sure if both of those parameters are needed, but it works. I plan on experimenting to see if they are both needed. So here's what I get (and don't get): I see my location I see everybody elses location My TNC sends my location (not the APRS program) I can just turn off the computer without affecting operation I don't have to change cables if I turn the computer on/off I don't have to reprogram the TNC if I turn the computer on/off I can see messages sent to me - but - I can't respond (I usually don't anyway if I'm driving) If somebory sends me a message, I can't ACK it. And it only takes standard cables and one serial port. I think it's an OK trade-off. Skip K9SA From kc5jgv@juno.com Wed Mar 04 15:50:59 1998 Received: from m7.boston.juno.com (m7.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.196]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id PAA23436 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:50:45 -0600 (CST) Received: (from kc5jgv@juno.com) by m7.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id Q_S17755; Wed, 04 Mar 1998 16:48:52 EST To: bill.r.davis@lmco.com Cc: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:13:55 -0600 Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21660] Apology Message-ID: <19980304.154711.9822.0.kc5jgv@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-8,10-27 From: kc5jgv@juno.com (J. S Ratchford) Really? If we were all as perfect as the 47 you describe then we'd never have any fun! No need to leave on account of a few perfect souls! 73 J. Scott Ratchford - KC5JGV - ARES EC Searcy County, AR F.&A.M. Calf Creek Lodge #426 email: kc5jgv@juno.com On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:29:28 -0600 (CST) "Davis, Bill R" writes: >I sincerely apologize to the entire SIG for my posting yesterday. >Seems >like I screwed up, that being my first posting to this SIG. For those >47 of you who replied telling me just how screwed up I was, you will >not >have to fear. I have requested an "un-subscribe" and I will move >back >the APRSa4 sig. > >Thanks for all your help. > > >Bill >KG5IE >North Texas Balloon Project > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From daveh@erie.net Wed Mar 04 16:07:44 1998 Received: from moose.erie.net (moose.erie.net [208.138.204.11]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id QAA25502 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:07:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from dgh (usr1-50.erie.net [208.138.205.240]) by moose.erie.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA00602; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:08:31 -0500 Message-Id: <199803042208.RAA00602@moose.erie.net> From: "David G. Henderson" To: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:07:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: QSY date for NE OH? CC: tem@erie.net Priority: normal Hi Gang, Has there been any discussion/decision on a QSY date for NE Ohio? NW PA will QSY with you. Please let me know. TNX. 73, Dave, N3EOY mailto:daveh@erie.net From jono@webspun.com Wed Mar 04 16:26:38 1998 Received: from axon.axnet.com (axon.axnet.com [207.252.104.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id QAA26898 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:26:35 -0600 (CST) X-ROUTED: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:29:18 -0600 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Jono Received: from [207.252.105.130] [207.252.105.130] by axon.axnet.com with smtp id BABNABEI ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:29:04 -0600 Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21682] RE: Serial port dilemna Date: Wed, 4 Mar 98 16:29:42 -0600 x-sender: jono@popmail.webspun.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Jon Ogden To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: > have the serial output of the TNC going to the computer. The computer is >running an APRS program (I can use DOS APRS or APRSA4 - both seem to work) >The KPC3 sends received packets to the serial port even if it is in the GPS >mode. So I see everybody elses locations on my computer. VERY good solution, Skip. I never thought of that. The GPS doesn't need to receive any data from the TNC, so the TNC output line can just go down to the computer.....Wow! Why didn't I think of that! Great idea! 73, Jon KE9NA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Ogden jono@webspun.com www.qsl.net/ke9na "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." From kc5ejk@onramp.net Wed Mar 04 16:31:55 1998 Received: from bozeman.onramp.net (bozeman.onramp.net [199.1.11.26]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id QAA27093 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:31:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailhost.onramp.net (mailhost.onramp.net [199.1.11.3]) by bozeman.onramp.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA13853 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:31:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from [206.50.203.14] (ppp18-14.dllstx.onramp.net [206.50.203.14]) by mailhost.onramp.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA01198 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:31:40 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:30:56 -0600 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: Robert Winingham Subject: Mir PMS GPS Format Here is an interesting item posted to the AMSAT BB -------------- Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 08:52:40 +0000 From: Viktor Kudielka MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amsat-bb@AMSAT.org Subject: Mir PMS GPS Format ? Question to MIR experts: Mir PMS is sending the following beacon packets, currently independent of the position of the station: R0MIR>GPS:!3822.00N/12038.00WSPHG5190/A=999999/Hello from Mir Space Station What is the intended meaning of the different items in this packet ? Position in degrees or minutes ? Vy 73, -- Viktor W. Kudielka A.R.S. OE1VKW QTH: 16.3206 E, 48.2397 N, JN88DF E-mail: oe1vkw@oevsv.at, oe1vkw@amsat.org URL: http://www.oevsv.at/~oe1vkw/ ---------------------- Now if that is not a bogas packet, or a mix of two different packets then the mir TNC has the GPS firmware installed. Wonder if they have a GPS on board? 73 Bob - Dallas,TX --- kc5ejk@onramp.net or kc5ejk@amsat.org --- From k4hg@tapr.org Wed Mar 04 16:58:01 1998 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (hd36-023.hil.compuserve.com [199.174.216.23]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id QAA28708; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:57:53 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199803042257.QAA28708@tapr.org> Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21686] Mir PMS GPS Format Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:58:06 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Steve Dimse K4HG To: , "aprssig" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" On 3/4/98 5:35 PM Robert Winingham (kc5ejk@onramp.net) wrote: >Here is an interesting item posted to the AMSAT BB > this message was posted to the sarex list a few days ago explaining this: ----------------------- I Have programed in several Beacons one is a APRS Beacon - This is for Rx ONLY - I know it's NOT the best beacon , but its the best that I can do with out a GPS Rx on MIR - PLEASE do not use the digi for APRS - I hope this will be a good teaching tool for schools ETC - 01-Mar-98 12:46:24 R0MIR*>ID : HELLO FROM MIR CREW 01-Mar-98 12:46:33 R0MIR*>GPS : !3822.00N/12038.00WSPHG5190/A=999999/Hello from Mir Space Station Dr Larsen N6CO MIR QSL Mgr & MIREX Presdent ples fell free to send me feedbk on this From kd4emi@juno.com Wed Mar 04 16:58:40 1998 Received: from m1.boston.juno.com (m1.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.199]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id QAA28757 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:58:38 -0600 (CST) Received: (from kd4emi@juno.com) by m1.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id ROO03527; Wed, 04 Mar 1998 17:57:37 EST To: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:52:28 -0500 Subject: weather Message-ID: <19980304.175228.12022.0.kd4emi@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4 From: kd4emi@juno.com (Michael A Kantor) E & B makes a weather station which is on sale for $159 bucks. Will this work with APRS ? It looks a PEAT ..but who knows.. Mike _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From saltair@xanadu2.net Wed Mar 04 17:19:52 1998 Received: from nexus.xanadu2.net ([206.242.128.50]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id RAA00391 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:19:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from [206.242.128.54] by nexus.xanadu2.net (SMTPD32-4.0) id A2321B68009A; Wed, 04 Mar 1998 17:22:26 -0600 From: "G. Salinas" To: , Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21673] Re: Maps Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:18:31 -0600 Message-ID: <01bd47c3$d8d25620$3680f2ce@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Excellent. Am looking forward to down loading Cameron County in South Texas. Thanks! 73 George KD4FJ -----Original Message----- From: Keith Sproul To: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 3:43 PM Subject: [APRSSIG:21673] Re: Maps >>Hello everyone, got a question about APRS maps, mainly in Texas. I >>downloaded winaprs from TAPR last night. Are more detailed maps available >>for the state or even North Texas? The view of Texas and Oklahoma is okay >>but for a county level event or a city it is just too big. Is there a zoom >>feature is am looking over maybe? >>Thanks in advance >> >> >> >>73 kc5goi >>gstory@icomply.com > > > >We JUST finished doing ALL 250+ counties in Texas... From the TIGER data!! >These are the REAL HIGH res maps.. WITH LABELS.. > >Currenlty we trying to add another hard drive to the aprs.rutgers.edu >machine so we can put these up for downloading.. Hopefully this will be >accomplished soon. > >We have also re-done florida and have a few other states ready to go as >soon as I get the disk space.. > >Keith > >Keith Sproul ksproul@rci.rutgers.edu WU2Z >Student Housing Network Coordinator 732 445-3695 W >Rutgers University Computing Services 732 821-4828 H > > > From trandall@mhv.net Wed Mar 04 17:28:25 1998 Received: from mhv.net (root@spice.mhv.net [199.0.0.21]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id RAA00763; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:28:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from Randall (port2.mhv.net [206.229.40.2]) by mhv.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA22082; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:28:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:28:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199803042328.SAA22082@mhv.net> X-Sender: trandall@pop.mhv.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: k4hg@tapr.org, aprssig@tapr.org From: Thomas Randall Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21687] Re: Mir PMS GPS Format Ahhh, I didn't see the APRS beacon the last time I monitored Mir a day or 2 ago! Neat! I'll keep an eye out for it! 73! Tom At 05:05 PM 3/4/98 -0600, you wrote: >On 3/4/98 5:35 PM Robert Winingham (kc5ejk@onramp.net) wrote: > >>Here is an interesting item posted to the AMSAT BB >> >this message was posted to the sarex list a few days ago explaining this: > >----------------------- > I Have programed in several Beacons >one is a APRS Beacon - This is for Rx ONLY - I know it's >NOT the best beacon , but its the best that I can do with out >a GPS Rx on MIR - PLEASE do not use the digi for APRS - > > I hope this will be a good teaching tool for schools ETC - > >01-Mar-98 12:46:24 R0MIR*>ID : >HELLO FROM MIR CREW >01-Mar-98 12:46:33 R0MIR*>GPS : >!3822.00N/12038.00WSPHG5190/A=999999/Hello from Mir Space Station > > >Dr Larsen >N6CO > >MIR QSL Mgr & MIREX Presdent > >ples fell free to send me feedbk on this > > Tom Randall Amateur Radio - KB2SMS trandall@mhv.net Mt. Beacon Amateur Radio Club / ARRL / 10-10 APRS on 145.790 - Dutchess county,N.Y. Member: AAVSO Solar Division My Astronomy/Ham radio site: http://www1.mhv.net/~trandall/welcome.html Opinions herein are mine and may not be that of MHV.NET! From kd4noq@juno.com Wed Mar 04 17:34:02 1998 Received: from x1.boston.juno.com (x1.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.21]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id RAA01227 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:34:00 -0600 (CST) Received: (from kd4noq@juno.com) by x1.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id SqE25219; Wed, 04 Mar 1998 18:33:23 EST To: rwf@bsrg.org Cc: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:00:56 -0600 Subject: Re: MICRO BURST Message-ID: <19980303.000622.9534.35.KD4NOQ@juno.com> References: <199803021627.LAA09086@camel7.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-14 From: kd4noq@juno.com (David R Campbell) You are correct...... On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:29:24 -0600 (CST) rwf writes: >No, not exactly. >That is purely cellular voice/modem based. > >We are talking about something different: "hiding" the data with in >the >data that is exchanged on the control channel. >Anyone can make a cellular modem transmit data during or after a voice >call, this is not that. > >KD4NOQ wrote: >>Cadillac already has this in there ON-Star sys. > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From weazle@hurontel.on.ca Wed Mar 04 19:01:30 1998 Received: from brigg.hurontel.on.ca (brigg.hurontel.on.ca [205.206.182.7]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id TAA14408 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:01:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [205.206.182.10]) by brigg.hurontel.on.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA26883 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:01:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (dial-213.hurontel.on.ca [205.206.182.213]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA18703 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:09:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:09:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803050109.UAA18703@mail.hurontel.on.ca> X-Sender: weazle@mail.hurontel.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: aprssig@tapr.org From: "J.B. Weazle McCreath" Subject: KPC-3+ with GPS-100 Hi Guys: I'm having a few problems getting a Garmin GPS-100 connected to a KPC-3+ for use as a stand alone tracker. I've followed the connections as they are shown in the GPS manual along with trying the "bias" resistor trick as detailed in GPS.TXT of APRS. No luck getting position information to pass from the GPS to the TNC. It supports NMEA 0183 with BWC, GLL, RMB, RMC, R00, WPL, and XTE, so I've set GPSHEAD to $GPRMC in the no. 1 spot. Yes, I'm sure of the correct pinout of the connectors...I've been duped by that once too often. Any suggestions would be appreciated. 73, Weazle. J.B. Weazle McCreath, VE3EAR http://www.solwind.on.ca c/o Solwind Enerco Inc., ve3ear@rac.ca Aerial Acres, R.R. 4, tel (519) 524-8703 - office Goderich, ON., Canada tel (519) 524-7420 - home N7A 3Y1 fax (519) 524-6108 From bhaineau@cts.com Wed Mar 04 20:50:18 1998 Received: from mh3.cts.com (root@mh3.cts.com [205.163.24.67]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id UAA19537 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:50:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from bhaineau.cts.com (bhaineau.cts.com [205.163.5.216]) by mh3.cts.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA28220 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:50:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <003801bd47e1$6c6c6a20$d805a3cd@bhaineau.cts.com> From: "B.HAINEAULT" To: Subject: WinAPRS - Real hi-res maps of California ? Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:50:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Hi Keith, Are there any "REAL-HI" resolution maps of southern California available ? (San Diego county) Bruno Haineault, VE2EQ/W6 San Marcos, California ICQ Pager #: 335336 ICQ Pager address: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/335336 -----Original Message----- > >We JUST finished doing ALL 250+ counties in Texas... From the TIGER data!! >These are the REAL HIGH res maps.. WITH LABELS.. > >Currenlty we trying to add another hard drive to the aprs.rutgers.edu >machine so we can put these up for downloading.. Hopefully this will be >accomplished soon. > >We have also re-done florida and have a few other states ready to go as >soon as I get the disk space.. > >Keith > From WA4BWB@aol.com Wed Mar 04 20:52:00 1998 Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.33]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id UAA19579 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:51:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from WA4BWB@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id HBFa015727 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:46:19 -0500 (EST) From: WA4BWB Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:46:19 EST To: aprssig@tapr.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: [APRSa4] AEA PK900 TNC troubles=QRT Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_889065979_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 62 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_889065979_boundary Content-ID: <0_889065979@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sure do hope some of you can help with this one. I posted this on the SA4 reflector 2 days ago and am still QRT because of the same problem. Still bumping against the guard rail of the learning curve... de Russ - WA4BWB --part0_889065979_boundary Content-ID: <0_889065979@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay25.mail.aol.com (relay25.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.25]) by air08.mail.aol.com (v40.2) with SMTP; Tue, 03 Mar 1998 00:09:00 -0500 Received: from k8sn.org ([206.250.30.176]) by relay25.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id AAA19781; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo.daemon@localhost) by k8sn.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA08913 for APRSa4-list; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:00:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: k8sn.org: majordomo.daemon set sender to owner-APRSa4@k8sn.org using -f Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.40]) by k8sn.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA08910 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:00:03 -0500 Received: from Buyesco@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 9MUEa28612 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 23:59:12 -0500 (EST) From: Buyesco Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 23:59:12 EST To: APRSA4@k8sn.org Subject: [APRSa4] AEA PK900 TNC troubles X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 62 Sender: owner-APRSa4@k8sn.org Precedence: bulk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The last few upgrades of SA are not changing this AEA PK900 TNC between the CMD and CONV modes properly. At startup, SA used to boot the TNC with the selected TNC file in the CMD mode then switch to CONV to operate the program. Recently, the TNC will be booted in whatever mode (Conv or CMD) it happens to be in at startup. This causes a LOT of QRM to "excape" if it happens to boot in the CONV mode since, what are supposed to be commands to the local TNC will be transmitted, complete with unproto path, over the air!. I have reinstalled the latest SA pgm and have tried using a different INITTNC file but still no luck. I have not knowingly changed any pertinant TNC command that would cause this problem. If I knew what control characters were sent by SA to the TNC to do various functions, perhaps I could change those characters in the TNC to match as I have done with the PORT 1 and PORT 2 functions (discovered by accident). SA reboots the TNC every so often when the program is running. When it does, all of the would-be commands go out over the air as junk causing an overload of the digies in my path. Please help, as I am off the air til I can correct the problem. Regards, Russ - WA4BWB Lynchburg, VA. --part0_889065979_boundary-- From bdover@greeceny.com Wed Mar 04 21:31:48 1998 Received: from greeceny.com (ppp-111.monroe.edu [199.190.222.111]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id VAA21334 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:31:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from greeceny.com (roc-ny3-22.ix.netcom.com [199.183.209.118]) by greeceny.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA20148; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:31:37 -0500 Message-ID: <34FE62D7.31BFFC0C@greeceny.com> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 03:31:20 -0500 From: "B. Dover" Reply-To: bdover@greeceny.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deh25125@glaxowellcome.com CC: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21643] more widen-n questions, and ack problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Dave! You've asked some insightful questions. I'm going to answer them as an attempt to not only help you to understand the "networking" side of APRS, but also as an attempt to validate my understanding, too. I'm in the process of hammering out the networking parameters for use of APRS on 6-meters, having asked many of the same questions you have asked. I'm responding to the SIG, too...because I want to be corrected, if I mis-state anything. Here goes . . . > * When people would send me a message more than about 26 columns long, > they'd never get the ack back from me...so, consequently, they would > continue to send the note over and over (even though I'd received it). I > watched in the View buffer, and realized that the number of letters they > could put in a message would be partially dependent on their digipath. I > would see their digipath, my call (if the message was sent to me), and the > message. If I didn't see the end of the message before my terminal inserted > a CR, I'd never send an ack. What I did, was to set my SCreenln-n in the TNC > to 0 (off) instead of it's default of 80 columns. That seems to have cured > the problem, but I wonder if I should have handled this some other way. Have > any of you experienced this problem? The command you want more information on is called PACLEN. It should be set to a value of 0. This forces packet strings to not "break apart". > * Next question is about the WIDEn-n parameters. I have set the local > wide-digi to APRS VIA WIDE3-3,TRACE3-3. Now, it seems that affects only the > wide-digi's beacons and ID's. If you are referring to the setting of the UNPROTO variable, then you probably have the following configured statement:UNPROTO APRS VIA WIDE3-3 This is the path that you want YOUR packets to take. Your packets will be decoded by digipeaters that are setup to process WIDE#-n packets (digi's with the following setup: UIDIGI ON WIDE are considered enabled), and ignored by all others. In this example, your packets will take three "hops" in all directions. > If a user has a digipath of APRS VIA WIDE, he > would still only go out one hop, right?? Correct. However . . . WIDE and WIDE#-n are two very different animals. The WIDE alias will cause all WIDE-enabled digis to then repeat your packet. Therefore, to get propogated for three "hops", you would specify an UNPROTO APRS VIA WIDE,WIDE,WIDE. The bad thing about that is that this will cause all WIDE's to retransmit your packet back-and-forth, until every combination of every path had been satisfied. If you can see 3 WIDE digi's, each repeating your packet three times, through all possible combinations of paths, your one position broadcast will result in (3x3x3) 27 retransmissions. A bad idea. The WIDE3-3 alias will cause your packet to propogate three hops, without duplication. That's because of the setting of the UIFLOOD parameter. Most likely, it is set as follows: UIFLOOD WIDE,30,ID. This command tells a WIDE's TNC to keep track of which digis have transmitted which packets for a total of 30 seconds. If there is a duplication, then discard rather than duplicate. WIDE#-n holds the promise of much more efficient use of spectrum. The down side is that only Kantronics (ROM 8.2) and Paccomm/TNC-2 compatibles (with newest Paccomm ROM) are capable of processing #-n packets. > If that's so, can individual users put the WIDEn-n statement in their > digipath, even if their own personal tnc doesn't support it? Wouldn't the > wide digi take over and increment the wide counters each hop? B i n g o ! Yes. You don't have to be capable of processing #-n packets in order to generate #-n packets. Hopefully, those who have been around APRS longer than I have will have a chance to read over my reply and correct my mistakes and inaccuracies, so you may want to give it a day or two before you take my word as gospel. Here is some insight into the near future (and this is tentative): What I have communicated is the fundamental premise for the rollout of PropNET (APRS on 6-meters). There will be three categories of stations: HUB, PEER and CLIENT. APRS on 6-meters will be #-n compliant (when the band opens, you don't want a lot of chatter on the channel). HUB and PEER class stations will digipeat #-n packets (they will need to meet the Kantronics ROM 8.2 criteria), but CLIENT class stations will simply feed packets into the network, but not be capable of digipeating anything themselves (and can be any brand of TNC). I hope I was of assistance. Welcome aboard! Regards, Ev, K2IV If you hear APRS on 53.530-MHz, the band is OPEN to Western New York. From ku0g@kcaprs.org Wed Mar 04 22:03:59 1998 Received: from mail.kc.idir.net (mail.kc.idir.net [209.172.192.4]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id WAA22963 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:03:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from kcaprs.org (port40.max1.kc.idir.net [209.172.192.240]) by mail.kc.idir.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA14176 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:03:55 -0600 Message-ID: <34FE24F0.1620B2CD@kcaprs.org> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 22:07:12 -0600 From: Jim Duncan Reply-To: ku0g@kcaprs.org Organization: Kansas City APRS Working Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "aprssig@tapr.org" Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21686] Mir PMS GPS Format References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could this be the start of the "paybacks" for our acquiescing and giving up our frequency? MIR on APRS? Something orbiting to track? Perhaps an experiment? We can only hope! I'd go so far as to say that if we here in the Midwest were to see solid evidence like this that AMSAT and the MIR people are giving APRS their support and encouragement that we would probably be inclined to come right out and ENDORSE the AMSAT/TAPR proposal! "Quid pro quo", said Hannibal Lector just before he he ate his lunch... Robert Winingham wrote: > > Here is an interesting item posted to the AMSAT BB > > -------------- > Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 08:52:40 +0000 > From: Viktor Kudielka > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: amsat-bb@AMSAT.org > Subject: Mir PMS GPS Format ? > > Question to MIR experts: > > Mir PMS is sending the following beacon packets, currently independent > of the position of the station: > > R0MIR>GPS:!3822.00N/12038.00WSPHG5190/A=999999/Hello from Mir Space Station > > What is the intended meaning of the different items in this packet ? > Position in degrees or minutes ? > Vy 73, > -- > Viktor W. Kudielka A.R.S. OE1VKW QTH: 16.3206 E, 48.2397 N, JN88DF > E-mail: oe1vkw@oevsv.at, oe1vkw@amsat.org > URL: http://www.oevsv.at/~oe1vkw/ > > ---------------------- > > Now if that is not a bogas packet, or a mix of two different packets > then the mir TNC has the GPS firmware installed. Wonder if they have a GPS on > board? > > 73 > > Bob - Dallas,TX --- kc5ejk@onramp.net or kc5ejk@amsat.org --- -- 73 de Jim, KU0G Chairman/Coordinator Kansas City APRS Working Group, W0APR Rogue Squadron Storm Chasers Mailto:ku0g@kcaprs.org Webpage: http://www.kcaprs.org BorgNet: 1st of 10 From jono@webspun.com Wed Mar 04 22:11:34 1998 Received: from axon.axnet.com (axon.axnet.com [207.252.104.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id WAA23292 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:11:32 -0600 (CST) X-ROUTED: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:14:14 -0600 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Jono Received: from [207.252.105.167] [207.252.105.167] by axon.axnet.com with smtp id BGAOADBO ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:14:02 -0600 Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21692] KPC-3+ with GPS-100 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 98 22:12:56 -0600 x-sender: jono@popmail.webspun.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: Jon Ogden To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: >I'm having a few problems getting a Garmin GPS-100 connected to a KPC-3+ >for use as a stand alone tracker. I've followed the connections as they >are shown in the GPS manual along with trying the "bias" resistor trick >as detailed in GPS.TXT of APRS. No luck getting position information to >pass from the GPS to the TNC. It supports NMEA 0183 with BWC, GLL, RMB, >RMC, R00, WPL, and XTE, so I've set GPSHEAD to $GPRMC in the no. 1 spot. >Yes, I'm sure of the correct pinout of the connectors...I've been duped >by that once too often. Any suggestions would be appreciated. At the risk of sounding like a smart alec, but I am asuming you have turned the NMEA interface on in the GPS. I know you said the connections are right, but double check them again. Remember, the manual shows the pin out looking at the GPS not the connector. The connector will be the mirror image. Have you set up your GPS buffers on the KPC-3+? You use a seperate beacon than the standard beacon. My suggestion, before trying it out on the TNC is to wire the GPS directly to your computer's serial port. Then open up a GPS connection inside APRS and see if your GPS is transmitting the NMEA data. You'll see plenty of it if it is. If it isn't then you have a problem with your cable (bad or broken wire?) or there is something wrong with the GPS. If you do get data to APRS, then you have a problem either with the TNC or with its configuration. Just my thoughts..... 73, Jon KE9NA ------------------------------------- Jon Ogden KE9NA http://www.qsl.net/ke9na "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." From jono@webspun.com Wed Mar 04 22:41:39 1998 Received: from axon.axnet.com (axon.axnet.com [207.252.104.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id WAA25192 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:41:37 -0600 (CST) X-ROUTED: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:44:18 -0600 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Jono Received: from [207.252.105.167] [207.252.105.167] by axon.axnet.com with smtp id BGCMAJAD ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:44:08 -0600 Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21696] Re: Mir PMS GPS Format Date: Wed, 4 Mar 98 22:43:02 -0600 x-sender: jono@popmail.webspun.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: Jon Ogden To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: >Could this be the start of the "paybacks" for our acquiescing and giving >up our frequency? MIR on APRS? Something orbiting to track? Perhaps >an experiment? We can only hope! I'd go so far as to say that if we >here in the Midwest were to see solid evidence like this that AMSAT and >the MIR people are giving APRS their support and encouragement that we >would probably be inclined to come right out and ENDORSE the AMSAT/TAPR >proposal! I think the QSY deal goes far beyond the issue of just MIR. In the next many years, many more "space" vehicles will be in orbit. The folks with the say-so are planning ahead. Also, there is no one forcing you to QSY. It won't be illegal. You just may be the only one left there and so you'll have to track yourself! :-) Of course, QSY is off topic for the SIG....... :-) 73, Jon KE9NA ------------------------------------- Jon Ogden KE9NA http://www.qsl.net/ke9na "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." From myoung@neo.lrun.com Wed Mar 04 23:13:26 1998 Received: from akron4.neo.lrun.com (neo.lrun.com [204.210.219.65]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id XAA27131 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:13:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from akron5.neo.lrun.com by akron4.neo.lrun.com with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA090534795; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 00:13:16 -0500 Received: from cyrix-200.neo.lrun.com (a12b117.neo.lrun.com) by akron5.neo.lrun.com with SMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA028824798; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 00:13:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 98 00:12:27 From: myoung Subject: RE: [APRSSIG:21662] 813; F,,Z..... Eh? To: pmarkham@ns1.lagasco.com, aprssig@tapr.org X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Try Files, New ------------------------------------- Name: Mike Young, WB8CXO E-mail: myoung Date: 3/5/98 Time: 12:12:27 AM ----------------------------------- From cap@cruzio.com Wed Mar 04 23:41:50 1998 Received: from mail.cruzio.com (root@mail.cruzio.com [208.226.92.37]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id XAA28831 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:41:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from cap-s-p90 (sa-208-226-93-105.cruzio.com [208.226.93.105]) by mail.cruzio.com with SMTP id VAA01499; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:41:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980304211855.008ab1e0@mail.cruzio.com> X-Sender: cap@mail.cruzio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 21:18:55 -0800 To: pmarkham@ns1.lagasco.com, aprssig@tapr.org From: Cap Pennell Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21662] 813; F,,Z..... Eh? In-Reply-To: <199803041844.NAA00103@ns1.lagasco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:55 PM 3/4/98 -0600, Pete WA4HEI wrote: > > What happened to the Files, Zero command? Try: (F)iles, (N)ew. I think I finally found it there in APRSdos. 73, Cap KE6AFE -- Cap Pennell Santa Cruz, CA 95062-1002 3658.93N/12200.91W [CM86xx] email: cap@cruzio.com home page: http://members.cruzio.com/~cap packet radio: KE6AFE @ki6eh.#wcca.ca.usa.noam From LGPlush@compuserve.com Wed Mar 04 23:53:32 1998 Received: from arl-img-1.compuserve.com (arl-img-1.compuserve.com [149.174.217.131]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id XAA01011 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:53:31 -0600 (CST) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by arl-img-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) id AAA18585 for aprssig@tapr.org; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 00:52:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 00:52:22 -0500 From: "Lloyd G. Plush" Subject: Colorado qsy Sender: "Lloyd G. Plush" To: aprssig Message-ID: <199803050052_MC2-3590-C1E@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Colorado has set their aprs qsy date. They will change frequency from 145.790 to 144.390 on = March 29, 1998. Our only problem could be the weather on the mountain to= p where our wide coverage digipeater "WIDE" is located. This time of year about the only way to reach the digi site is by snow cat. If for some reason, weather or whatever this digi c= an not make the qsy on the above date our northern aprs users will be cut-off from Denver area until= qsy is made. Will keep = you posted if we are completely successful or not at that time. Lloyd / KB0MQQ Denver APRS gate lgplush@compuserve.com From squirmy@mail.kiva.net Thu Mar 05 03:50:02 1998 Received: from biff.kiva.net (biff.kiva.net [206.97.64.31]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id DAA25818 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 03:50:00 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 31970 invoked from network); 5 Mar 1998 09:49:59 -0000 Received: from com1-4.newc.kiva.net (HELO squirmy.kiva.net) (206.97.76.6) by biff.kiva.net with SMTP; 5 Mar 1998 09:49:59 -0000 Message-ID: <34FE75B9.39D8@mail.kiva.net> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 04:51:53 -0500 From: JAMES SMITH Reply-To: squirmy@mail.kiva.net Organization: Tri-State Aprs Working Group/ Indiana Coordinator X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daveh@erie.net CC: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: NE Ohio QSY Date Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Dave, No,there hasn't been any talk about NE Ohio qsy, but there is several stations in Ohio that are going qsy on March 14,98...But some have already changed as of monday of this week, So get in contact with KB8GVQ and the gang in Cleveland.. it would be nice to have Illinois,Indiana,Michigan,Kentucky,Ohio & NE PA all qsy on the same though... 73, James Smith -N9UHX- Tri-state Aprs Working Group/ Indiana Coordinator TAWG Website:http://members.aol.com/nh7c/tawg.html N9UHX Website:http://members.tripod.com/~n9uhx mailto:squirmy@kiva.net From w2g3zfj@unix.asb.com Thu Mar 05 06:44:24 1998 Received: from unix.asb.com (unix.asb.com [165.254.128.4]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id GAA08681 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 06:44:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from Bob.savant (x2haup37.asb.com [165.254.199.37]) by unix.asb.com (8.8.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA16786 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 07:59:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803051259.HAA16786@unix.asb.com> From: "bob" To: Subject: LI GATE and WIDE freq move Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 07:44:40 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all The Long Island GATE, located in Sayville, (g3zfj )and the Ronkonkoma WIDE, (kb2scs-15) are proposing to move to 144.39 on 4th April. See y'all there! 73 de bob w2/g3zfj From deh25125@glaxowellcome.com Thu Mar 05 07:59:16 1998 Received: from firewall1-int.glaxowellcome.com (firewall-user@firewall1.glaxowellcome.com [192.58.204.204]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id HAA13054 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 07:59:15 -0600 (CST) Received: by firewall1-int.glaxowellcome.com id JAA13718; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:10:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by ussun2m.glaxo.com id IAA09577; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by us1n36.glaxo.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:59:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Hockaday, Dave" To: "'APRS Sig'" Subject: combining digi's on common antenna Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:59:17 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain I'm curious if any of you digi owners are combining digi's with other 2 equipment on a common antenna. Currently, I have a BBS node on 145.01 combined with my 147.390+ repeater at one site...but it did take a lot of work due to the duplex operation of the voice repeater. I am building a duplexer stack now to combine the 145.79 APRS digi with a BBS node on 147.54mhz. I'm curious if any of you have done similar applications, and how many cavities you used. I've assembled one band pass cavity for each of the frequencies, and 1 notch cavity for each. I wonder if this 4 cavity arrangement will provide sufficient isolation between the APRS and BBS nodes. Both rigs are synthesized, so phase noise may throw an extra wrench in the works... Any input?? Dave WB4IUY From msandss@po.jah.or.jp Thu Mar 05 08:06:04 1998 Received: from po.jah.ne.jp (0@cosmo.jah.ne.jp [210.162.2.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id IAA13562 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:05:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from [210.162.2.162] (dp0162.jah.ne.jp [210.162.2.162]) by po.jah.ne.jp (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta9/3.6W-jahgw98010516) with ESMTP id XAA03895 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 23:05:48 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 23:07:33 +0900 To: APRS SIG From: Matthew Stennett Subject: " Tiger " Maps & " Zip-It " I have finally discovered these " Tiger " maps. (Actually, I knew they were being worked on, but didn't know the site) What is this " Zip-It " I need, to UN-zip the maps? Can I download Zip-It free? Anyone care to explain how to do this Tiger stuff on a Mac? MadMax; Tokyo MacRatt Matt; 7J6CAT/1 The ONLY APRS station in J-Pan! From Mike.Facciolo@SUPPLY.GE.com Thu Mar 05 08:40:39 1998 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id IAA14901 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:40:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from thomas.ge.com (thomas.ge.com [3.47.28.21]) by ns.ge.com (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA13199 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:40:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from cin01xbmailge.gemail.ge.com ([3.159.12.21]) by thomas.ge.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA21384 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CIN01XBMAILGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:42:14 -0500 Message-ID: <30774C9EA7A5D011BD3900805FEA06AF9DA987@CIN01XBMAILGE> From: "Facciolo, Mike (SUPP)" To: "'squirmy@mail.kiva.net'" Cc: "'aprssig@tapr.org'" Subject: RE: [APRSSIG:21702] Re: NE Ohio QSY Date Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:42:12 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Return-Receipt-To: "Facciolo, Mike (SUPP)" X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Southwest Ohio and parts of Dayton have already moved. All stations are trying to change over by the 14th of March. de KB8IFX Michael J. Facciolo E-Mail: Mike.Facciolo@supply.ge.com > ---------- > From: JAMES SMITH[SMTP:squirmy@mail.kiva.net] > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 1998 4:52 AM > To: aprssig@tapr.org > Subject: [APRSSIG:21702] Re: NE Ohio QSY Date > > Hi Dave, > > No,there hasn't been any talk about NE Ohio qsy, but there is several > stations in Ohio that are going qsy on March 14,98...But some have > already changed as of monday of this week, So get in contact with KB8GVQ > and the gang in Cleveland.. it would be nice to have > Illinois,Indiana,Michigan,Kentucky,Ohio & NE PA all qsy on the same > though... > > 73, > > James Smith -N9UHX- > Tri-state Aprs Working Group/ Indiana Coordinator > TAWG Website:http://members.aol.com/nh7c/tawg.html > N9UHX Website:http://members.tripod.com/~n9uhx > mailto:squirmy@kiva.net > From n2lbt@zone5.com Thu Mar 05 08:55:37 1998 Received: from mail.nycap.rr.com (mail-atm.nycap.rr.com [24.92.32.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id IAA15465 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:55:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from [204.210.190.30] (dt04q6n1e.nycap.rr.com [204.210.190.30]) by mail.nycap.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA27274; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:54:21 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: n2lbt%zone5.com@pop3.zone5.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:56:54 -0500 To: msandss@po.jah.or.jp, aprssig@tapr.org From: Dennis Hudson Subject: Re: " Tiger " Maps & " Zip-It " >I have finally discovered these " Tiger " maps. > >(Actually, I knew they were being worked on, but >didn't know the site) > >What is this " Zip-It " I need, to UN-zip the maps? >Can I download Zip-It free? >Anyone care to explain how to do this Tiger stuff on a Mac? > >MadMax; Tokyo > Stuffit will unzip a zip archive quite well. I do have ZipIt which I downloaded from www.shareware.com. I don't care for it as much as stuffit deluxe(which I purchased) As far as using APRStiger maps, just use them like a regular map, with the exception that there is alot of detail and lots of labels. Now, making the maps, does anyone know how these maps are being made? I would love to get my hands on some local maps with this kind of detail. -- Dennis Hudson, N2LBT Skywarn EC, Albany Co,NY NWS-ALY club call is WX2ALY NY's Capitol District Wide-TCP/IP Digi N2LBT-1 4238.35N 07347.48W 144.390mhz 518-464-2800 x11 (work) (Fax)518-456-8312 http://www.zone5.com/~n2lbt/ mailto:n2lbt@zone5.com From ksproul@rci.rutgers.edu Thu Mar 05 09:16:42 1998 Received: from erebus.rutgers.edu (erebus.rutgers.edu [165.230.116.132]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id JAA16379 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:16:35 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 18820 invoked by alias); 5 Mar 1998 15:16:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 18799 invoked from network); 5 Mar 1998 15:16:31 -0000 Received: from energizer.rutgers.edu (HELO ?128.6.18.58?) (128.6.18.58) by erebus.rutgers.edu with SMTP; 5 Mar 1998 15:16:31 -0000 X-Sender: ksproul@erebus.rutgers.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:14:03 -0500 To: msandss@po.jah.or.jp From: Keith Sproul Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21705] " Tiger " Maps & " Zip-It " Cc: aprssig@tapr.org >I have finally discovered these " Tiger " maps. > >(Actually, I knew they were being worked on, but >didn't know the site) > >What is this " Zip-It " I need, to UN-zip the maps? >Can I download Zip-It free? >Anyone care to explain how to do this Tiger stuff on a Mac? > ZIPIT is a shareware program for the Mac that works very well for doing ZIP files on the mac.. It is available at http://www.awa.com/softlock/zipit/zipit.html Keith Keith Sproul ksproul@rci.rutgers.edu WU2Z Student Housing Network Coordinator 732 445-3695 W Rutgers University Computing Services 732 821-4828 H From jono@webspun.com Thu Mar 05 09:33:07 1998 Received: from axon.axnet.com (axon.axnet.com [207.252.104.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id JAA17313 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:33:03 -0600 (CST) X-ROUTED: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:35:48 -0600 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Jono Received: from [207.252.105.31] [207.252.105.31] by axon.axnet.com with smtp id AJCDBPGC ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:35:32 -0600 Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21705] " Tiger " Maps & " Zip-It " Date: Thu, 5 Mar 98 09:36:11 -0600 x-sender: jono@popmail.webspun.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Jon Ogden To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: > >I have finally discovered these " Tiger " maps. > >(Actually, I knew they were being worked on, but >didn't know the site) > >What is this " Zip-It " I need, to UN-zip the maps? >Can I download Zip-It free? >Anyone care to explain how to do this Tiger stuff on a Mac? > If you have Stuffit Expander w/expander enhancer, it will handle ZIP files. That's how I do it. Stuffit's about the best. Does just about everything out there. Then the maps are put in your maps folder just like normal. One thing you gotta admit about the Mac: It's a heck of a lot easier to read a PC/Windoze file on a Mac than a Mac file on a PC/Windoze machine! ;-) 73, Jon KE9NA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Ogden jono@webspun.com www.qsl.net/ke9na "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." From ksproul@rci.rutgers.edu Thu Mar 05 10:56:27 1998 Received: from erebus.rutgers.edu (erebus.rutgers.edu [165.230.116.132]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id KAA21911 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:56:24 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 4028 invoked by alias); 5 Mar 1998 16:56:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 27855 invoked from network); 5 Mar 1998 16:49:15 -0000 Received: from energizer.rutgers.edu (HELO ?128.6.18.58?) (128.6.18.58) by erebus.rutgers.edu with SMTP; 5 Mar 1998 16:49:15 -0000 X-Sender: ksproul@erebus.rutgers.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003801bd47e1$6c6c6a20$d805a3cd@bhaineau.cts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:48:06 -0500 To: bhaineau@cts.com From: Keith Sproul Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21693] WinAPRS - Real hi-res maps of California ? Cc: aprssig@tapr.org >Hi Keith, > >Are there any "REAL-HI" resolution maps of southern California available ? >(San Diego county) > >Bruno Haineault, VE2EQ/W6 >San Marcos, California > >ICQ Pager #: 335336 >ICQ Pager address: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/335336 > >-----Original Message----- > >> >>We JUST finished doing ALL 250+ counties in Texas... From the TIGER data!! >>These are the REAL HIGH res maps.. WITH LABELS.. >> >>Currenlty we trying to add another hard drive to the aprs.rutgers.edu >>machine so we can put these up for downloading.. Hopefully this will be >>accomplished soon. >> >>We have also re-done florida and have a few other states ready to go as >>soon as I get the disk space.. >> >>Keith >> Yes, we have done some of CA, and will get them up this weekend.. We will try to get the rest done SOON.. Keith Keith Sproul ksproul@rci.rutgers.edu WU2Z Student Housing Network Coordinator 732 445-3695 W Rutgers University Computing Services 732 821-4828 H From bruninga@nadn.navy.mil Thu Mar 05 12:08:09 1998 Received: from arctic.nadn.navy.mil (arctic.nadn.navy.mil [131.121.8.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id MAA25562 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:08:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (bruninga@localhost) by arctic.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA06362 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:48:58 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.nadn.navy.mil: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:48:02 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic Reply-To: Bob Bruninga To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: WA,OR ID and MT maps Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just spent a week upgrading all of the maps in the Pacific Northwest into a new standard APRS distribution NWmaps18.zip. Thanks to K7GPS for all his contributions of MANY maps. Here is a summary: *Contains all 32 mile map detail for WA,OR,ID and MT *Much improved larger area maps. (U must have APRS813 or later to get the new USANWEST map now included in APRS *Contains all county warning circles.. The real advantage is that I brought more detail into the larger USANWEST, MTSTATE and IDAHOSE maps so that you get more detail at higher zooms. de Bob From k4hg@tapr.org Thu Mar 05 12:08:14 1998 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (hd71-107.hil.compuserve.com [199.174.251.107]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id MAA25574 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:08:10 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199803051808.MAA25574@tapr.org> Subject: Fwd: APRS School Exp via MIR Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:08:09 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Steve Dimse K4HG To: "aprssig" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- Date: 3/5/98 11:05 AM Received: 3/5/98 12:50 PM From: Dr. Larsen, doc@volcano.net To: 'sarex@amsat.org', sarex@AMSAT.org The Mirex (Mir International Amateur Radio Experiment) team would like to announce an Automatic Packet/Positioning Reporting System (APRS ) test. ON March 10th 1998 beginning at 1455 UTC and ending at 1651 UTC, APRS stations WILL be allowed to use the Digital Repeater [R0MIR] on the Russian Mir Packet Station.. This 2 hour experiment will cover approximately 99% of the USA on these 2 orbits of Mir [ make sure you have updated Keps ] MIREX would hope that Schools would be informed about the upcoming experiment and be able to log into one of the APRS WEB sites (WWW.APRS.NET) to track APRS beaconing stations all across the USA. Or if hams could set this up with schools to bring in there laptops and put up a Vertical antennas system to copy the APRS data from the MIR packet system. This Experiment has been a LONG time in the planning and I hope it will serve as a step for other Experiments With this hobby Mir PMS Frequency: 145.985 FM Simplex. Mir Digital Repeater Call sign R0MIR After March 10th @ 1651UTC APRS should NOT be used via MIR . Mir 1 16609U 86017A 98063.08565753 .00008828 00000-0 10311-3 0 3011 2 16609 51.6575 217.9855 0005337 84.5056 275.6535 15.62474297687614 Dr Dave Larsen MIREX Presdent MIR QSL Mgr N6CO doc@volcano.net ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- From daveh@erie.net Thu Mar 05 12:43:02 1998 Received: from moose.erie.net (moose.erie.net [208.138.204.11]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id MAA03186 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:43:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from dgh (usr1-60.erie.net [208.138.205.250]) by moose.erie.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA14695 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:43:54 -0500 X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: <199803051843.NAA14695@moose.erie.net> From: "David G. Henderson" To: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:42:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21706] Re: NE Ohio QSY Date Priority: normal In-reply-to: <30774C9EA7A5D011BD3900805FEA06AF9DA987@CIN01XBMAILGE> On 5 Mar 98 at 8:42, Facciolo, Mike (SUPP) wrote: > Southwest Ohio and parts of Dayton have already moved. All stations > are trying to change over by the 14th of March. > > de KB8IFX > Michael J. Facciolo NW PA will be QSYing to 144.39 ASAP, within the next couple of days. Thanks to everyone for their replies. 73, Dave, N3EOY mailto:daveh@erie.net From weazle@hurontel.on.ca Thu Mar 05 13:14:38 1998 Received: from brigg.hurontel.on.ca (brigg.hurontel.on.ca [205.206.182.7]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id NAA08240 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:14:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [205.206.182.10]) by brigg.hurontel.on.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07401 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:14:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (dial-177.hurontel.on.ca [205.206.182.177]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA18581 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:22:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:22:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803051922.OAA18581@mail.hurontel.on.ca> X-Sender: weazle@mail.hurontel.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: aprssig@tapr.org From: "J.B. Weazle McCreath" Subject: Success!! Thanks to all who took the time to reply to my call for help in hooking up a GPS-100 to a KPC-3+. The tip about the grounding did the trick. Regarding Skip, K9SA, and his elegant hookup for using a laptop with a stand alone tracker, as others have said "Why didn't I think of that." It's a great idea and a lot easier than the HSP route. 73, Weazle. J.B. Weazle McCreath, VE3EAR http://www.solwind.on.ca c/o Solwind Enerco Inc., ve3ear@rac.ca Aerial Acres, R.R. 4, tel (519) 524-8703 - office Goderich, ON., Canada tel (519) 524-7420 - home N7A 3Y1 fax (519) 524-6108 From w6hqa@west.net Thu Mar 05 13:51:30 1998 Received: from acme.sb.west.net (acme.sb.west.net [205.254.224.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id NAA10041 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:51:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from big-cheese (term2-6.simi.west.net [205.254.244.70]) by acme.sb.west.net (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA23570 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:51:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000b01bd486f$d0cff020$46f4fecd@big-cheese> From: "Howard Coleman, W6HQA" To: "APRS Sig" Subject: multi port com card Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:49:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Can I get some recommendations for multi port com cards for the Win95 O/S? I'm trying to get my Peet weather station to run with WinAPRS and am having a heck of a time. Both work find until I try to mate them. 73 Howard W6HQA From byoung@cmh.edu Thu Mar 05 14:18:44 1998 Received: from exchange1.cmh.edu ([208.233.17.66]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id OAA12085 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:18:36 -0600 (CST) Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:24:46 -0600 Message-ID: <119D55D6D69FD011AB9B000092966BB42D2323@EXCHANGE2> From: "Young, Bill" To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: RE: [APRSSIG:21712] Fwd: APRS School Exp via MIR Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:19:53 -0600 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Steve and the group, Yippee! This should be grand, harkening back to the fun I had with SAREX back in '96! BUT(!), for the good of the experiment and those new to "space-ops", could Bob B. please review the procedures and operational hints he has previously provided for running this type of operation? These insights, based on the empirical data amassed from previous experience, will help to make this the success we all want. Bill Young KB0UZQ > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Dimse K4HG [SMTP:k4hg@tapr.org] > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 1998 12:13 PM > To: aprssig@tapr.org > Subject: [APRSSIG:21712] Fwd: APRS School Exp via MIR > > > ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- > Date: 3/5/98 11:05 AM > Received: 3/5/98 12:50 PM > From: Dr. Larsen, doc@volcano.net > To: 'sarex@amsat.org', sarex@AMSAT.org > > The Mirex (Mir International Amateur Radio Experiment) team would like > to > announce > an Automatic Packet/Positioning Reporting System (APRS ) test. > ON March 10th 1998 beginning at 1455 UTC and ending at 1651 UTC, APRS > stations WILL be allowed to > use the Digital Repeater [R0MIR] on the Russian Mir Packet Station.. > > This 2 hour > experiment will cover approximately 99% of the > USA on these 2 orbits of Mir [ make sure you have updated Keps ] > > MIREX would hope that Schools would be informed about the > upcoming experiment > and be able to log into one of the APRS WEB sites (WWW.APRS.NET) to > track > APRS beaconing stations all across > the USA. Or if hams could set this up with schools to bring in there > laptops and put up a Vertical antennas system to copy the APRS data > from > the MIR packet system. > > This Experiment has been a LONG time in the planning and I > hope > it will serve as a step for other Experiments With this hobby > > Mir PMS Frequency: > > 145.985 FM Simplex. > Mir Digital Repeater Call sign R0MIR > > After March 10th @ 1651UTC APRS should NOT be used via MIR . > > Mir > 1 16609U 86017A 98063.08565753 .00008828 00000-0 10311-3 0 3011 > 2 16609 51.6575 217.9855 0005337 84.5056 275.6535 15.62474297687614 > > > > Dr Dave Larsen > MIREX Presdent > MIR QSL Mgr > N6CO > > doc@volcano.net > > > > ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- From bruninga@nadn.navy.mil Thu Mar 05 14:21:05 1998 Received: from arctic.nadn.navy.mil (arctic.nadn.navy.mil [131.121.8.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id OAA12225 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:21:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (bruninga@localhost) by arctic.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA10991; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:46:18 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.nadn.navy.mil: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:46:18 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: pmarkham cc: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21662] 813; F,,Z..... Eh? In-Reply-To: <199803041844.NAA00103@ns1.lagasco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, pmarkham wrote: > What happened to the Files, Zero command? In keeping with Bill Gatess Manopoly, it is now FILE-NEW From byoung@cmh.edu Thu Mar 05 14:31:05 1998 Received: from exchange1.cmh.edu ([208.233.17.66]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id OAA12721 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:30:53 -0600 (CST) Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:37:06 -0600 Message-ID: <119D55D6D69FD011AB9B000092966BB42D2326@EXCHANGE2> From: "Young, Bill" To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: RE: [APRSSIG:21715] multi port com card Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:32:15 -0600 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Howard and the group, I have used the SIIG brand serial I/O cards with great success. They make an ISA card that supports up to four "high IRQ" serial ports, comes with two 16550 chips with the ability to easily add the additional two. They also make an ISA card that supports two "high IRQ" serial ports based on the newer 16650 chips. Reasonably priced, available at stores such as CompUSA, and recommended! I looked for PCI cards, but didn't find any from "local" vendors... Bill Young KB0UZQ > -----Original Message----- > From: Howard Coleman, W6HQA [SMTP:w6hqa@west.net] > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 1998 1:57 PM > To: aprssig@tapr.org > Subject: [APRSSIG:21715] multi port com card > > Can I get some recommendations for multi port com cards for the Win95 > O/S? > I'm trying to get my Peet weather station to run with WinAPRS and am > having > a heck of a time. Both work find until I try to mate them. > > 73 Howard W6HQA From z004391b@bc.seflin.org Thu Mar 05 15:34:35 1998 Received: from bc.seflin.org (z004391b@bc.seflin.org [199.227.192.20]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id PAA16341 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:34:31 -0600 (CST) Received: (from z004391b@localhost) by bc.seflin.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA22148; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:34:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:34:48 -0500 (EST) From: John W Wilson Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21672] Re: Extraneous Data To: Jon Ogden cc: aprssig@tapr.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Interesting, but if the TNC somehow gets into CONV mode then the GPS will send it's output to the TNC and the TNC will transmit everything it sees, forever, and at a very rapid rate. If this is happening then you may be yelled at by your local APRS users, hi. John W. Wilson, KN4HX z004391b@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Jon Ogden wrote: > >I have a GPS-30 used with a Pico Packet Dual Port that I have setup as a > >tracker. > > > >So far it seems to work well. I get lock in usually no more than one minute > >on powerup. > > > >The question I have is that besides the $GPGGA string that my Pico is > >transmitting, it is also transmitting the $GPVTG strings as well! > > > >I can't find a way to stop the GPVTG from being captured and sent. > > > The Pico has several registers in it that parse incoming GPS data. When > it sees that, it then puts it into one of the appropriate location text > buffers. The first one is GPSTEXT. Then there are several other ones as > well. I think they are something like GP1TEXT, GP2TEXT, GP3TEXT. Don't > quote me on those exactly, I don't have my maual in my office. > > Each of these can be set to a different NMEA string. For example, $GPGGA > basically shows course and altitude. $GPRMC shows course and speed. I > don't know what $GPVTG shows. It might be the satellite info for all I > know. > > Anyhow, put whatever sting you want parsed into GPSTEXT ($GPGGA, etc.). > If you don't want to transmit the other strings then set the other > buffers to blank. The pico will then ignore all other GPS data. There > are about 4 sentences that the GPS send out. You really can't change > that. And it isn't extraneous. > > Also, the more data you have you pico recognizing, the more filled out > your NMEA screen will be when running APRS from a Laptop. If it's a > standalone tracker, then I wouldn't worry about it. I'd just use $GPRMC > is the parsing string in my GPSTEXT field. > > Anxiously awaiting the return of my pico............ > > 73, > > Jon > KE9NA > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Jon Ogden > > jono@webspun.com > > www.qsl.net/ke9na > > > "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." > > > From trandall@mhv.net Thu Mar 05 15:35:24 1998 Received: from mhv.net (root@spice.mhv.net [199.0.0.21]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id PAA16372 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:35:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from Randall (port78.mhv.net [206.229.41.6]) by mhv.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09707 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:35:20 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:35:20 -0500 Message-Id: <199803052135.QAA09707@mhv.net> X-Sender: trandall@pop.mhv.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: aprssig@tapr.org From: Thomas Randall Subject: Re: APRS School Exp via MIR >The Mirex (Mir International Amateur Radio Experiment) team would like to >announce an Automatic Packet/Positioning Reporting System (APRS ) test. >ON March 10th 1998 beginning at 1455 UTC and ending at 1651 UTC, APRS >stations WILL be allowed to use the Digital Repeater [R0MIR] on the Russian >Mir Packet Station.. Darn, wouldn't ya know it....it's during my work hours. Ahhh heck.....I'll leave my KAgold running to copy stuff anyway...RATS!!! 73, Tom Tom Randall Amateur Radio - KB2SMS trandall@mhv.net Mt. Beacon Amateur Radio Club / ARRL / 10-10 APRS on 145.790 - Dutchess county,N.Y. Member: AAVSO Solar Division My Astronomy/Ham radio site: http://www1.mhv.net/~trandall/welcome.html Opinions herein are mine and may not be that of MHV.NET! From trandall@mhv.net Thu Mar 05 15:38:01 1998 Received: from mhv.net (root@spice.mhv.net [199.0.0.21]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id PAA16423 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:38:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from Randall (port78.mhv.net [206.229.41.6]) by mhv.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA10132 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:37:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:37:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199803052137.QAA10132@mhv.net> X-Sender: trandall@pop.mhv.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) To: aprssig@tapr.org From: Thomas Randall Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21716] RE: Fwd: APRS School Exp via MIR I'll second Bill's request, I'd like info as well. 73, Tom At 02:25 PM 3/5/98 -0600, you wrote: >Steve and the group, > >Yippee! This should be grand, harkening back to the fun I had with >SAREX back in '96! > >BUT(!), for the good of the experiment and those new to "space-ops", >could Bob B. please review the procedures and operational hints he has >previously provided for running this type of operation? These insights, >based on the empirical data amassed from previous experience, will help >to make this the success we all want. > >Bill Young >KB0UZQ From pjotr@weatherstation.com Thu Mar 05 15:53:56 1998 Received: from osage.gate.net (root@osage.gate.net [198.206.134.25]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id PAA17219 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:53:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from ray_nt (miafl3-33.gate.net [199.227.35.160]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA133378 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:53:33 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980305215414.00913780@pop.gate.net> X-Sender: rvaughan@pop.gate.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 16:54:14 -0500 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: "Pjotr van Schothorst" (by way of Ray Vaughan ) Subject: Connect your Davis Instruments weatherstation to the Internet.... I just got the following spam... but, as spam goes, this one is interesting.... Could be a neat application, IF we could do it to our website, not just theirs. How many APRS/Weather Station owners here have full time Internet connections? I don't see the dial-up being very practical, unless you get an account just for your weather station. But this could be interesting... at least food for thought. How about adding the option for .jpg or .html files on the APRSnet? Think of it, click on an ICON and see the video from the site. Or a web page.... or audio from a repeater... Lots could be done with a hot link from the ICON. Message follows: ...... so you can always see the current weather at your favorite location over the Internet. (see for example http://weatherstation.com). Does that sound interesting to you? Then read on, otherwise delete this message. We just released Weather Monitor Personal Edition 1.1, a software product that connects cameras and the Davis Instruments WeatherWizard II-S and III, and the Weather Monitor II to the Internet. At regular time intervals, the software collects actual weather data from the attached weatherstation device, formats it into an HTML page, generates trend graphs of one, three or seven days of data, takes a camera snapshot, dials into the Internet and connects to a server. It then posts the pages, trend graphs and the image on the server and disconnects again. Once on the Internet, anybody can view the posted weather data and snapshot. For PCs that are full-time connected to the Internet or an Intranet, no dial-up is needed and the data is just saved in a directory youcan specify. A few application areas that we could think of (I am sure there are more you can think of): * Golf, sailing, windsurfing clubs whose members would like to know exactly what the weather is like before planning their day or evening. * People living in hurricane areas, which can now "spot" a hurricane coming by regularly monitoring their own and other Internet-connected weatherstations. * Sailors and maritime institutions, who can develop accurate weather maps when series of boats and buoys are equipped with Internet-enabled weatherstations. * Ski resorts and tourist boards, who can provide their guests with accurate weather data of every mountaintop every morning. * Airports, who can now provide near real-time weather data to all travelers and pilots. Currently, our product is for sale exclusively through the Internet via BuyDirect.Com for $99 (http://www.buydirect.com/All/Product/Detailed/0,3,1841,01.html) You can get more info from our Website, http://weatherstation.com . Pjotr van Schothorst CEO, WeatherStation.Com pjotr@weatherstation.com From bruninga@nadn.navy.mil Thu Mar 05 16:29:58 1998 Received: from arctic.nadn.navy.mil (arctic.nadn.navy.mil [131.121.8.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id QAA19413 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:29:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (bruninga@localhost) by arctic.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA11201; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:29:22 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.nadn.navy.mil: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:29:22 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: Robert Winingham cc: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21686] Mir PMS GPS Format In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Robert Winingham wrote: > Here is an interesting item posted to the AMSAT BB > Mir PMS is sending the following beacon packets, currently independent > of the position of the station: > > R0MIR>GPS:!3822.00N/12038.00WSPHG5190/A=999999/Hello from Mir Space Station APRSdos REPLY/COMMENT: MIREX team is experimenting with APRS position reporting from MIR. This is a reminder: DO NOT BEACON APRS VIA MIR NOW. IT WILL KILL ANY CHANCE OF EVENTUALY MAYBE GETTING TO DO IT... STAY TUNED... de WB4APR From bruninga@nadn.navy.mil Thu Mar 05 16:57:26 1998 Received: from arctic.nadn.navy.mil (arctic.nadn.navy.mil [131.121.8.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id QAA20831 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:57:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (bruninga@localhost) by arctic.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA13671 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:56:51 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.nadn.navy.mil: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:56:51 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: APRS via MIR Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII By now you have seen the announcemnts. This has caught us all by surprise and we have LOTS to do before 10 March (4 days from now!) I will get the straight scoop and pass it out as soon as we figure out the best plan. Everyone should PLAN on somehow demonstrating this or at least BE AT YOUR station to make it work... We only get 2 Orbits (20 minutes total)... So this is it... More later. DO NOT PRACTICE VIA MIR.... Choose a local digi for your testing.... de WB4APR From kr4ol@juno.com Thu Mar 05 17:28:05 1998 Received: from x6.boston.juno.com (x6.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.23]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id RAA22451 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:28:03 -0600 (CST) Received: (from kr4ol@juno.com) by x6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id SbG16131; Thu, 05 Mar 1998 18:10:23 EST To: deh25125@glaxowellcome.com Cc: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: RE: combining digi's on common antenna Message-ID: <19980305.180525.4815.0.kr4ol@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,8,13,23-25,29-30,37-44 From: kr4ol@juno.com (Thomas A Rogers) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 18:10:23 EST Dave, I am sending CC of this message to the SIG because I think many potential APRS digi operators are asking the same question. I am the sysop of a dual port "gateway" node and BBS in Central Georgia. I had wanted to get an APRS Digi on the air there for quite a while, but could not afford the additional 400' of 7/8" hardline and additional antenna to do that. A friend of mine suggested there was a way to use the single feedline and antenna for two frequencies. I listened. The premise is simple. We use two receivers listening on the separate frequencies. In our case, 145.070 for the Node/BBS and 145.790 for APRS. Each of these receivers is connected to an individual TNC port. The transmitter is another rig that is programmed with the two transmitt frequencies on channel 1 and channel 2 respectively. The transmitter defaults to channel 1 which is the Node/BBS. When the Node/BBS TNC calls for transmit, it simply keys the rig and sends the data. When the APRS TNC calls for transmit, it not only keys the rig, but must change the channel in the transmitter. Since the TNC PTT is done by showing ground potential to the rig, so also is channel selection acheived. This makes it easy to Key the rig and select channel at the same time. The two TNC PTT's are separated at the rig with a diode, one TNC can't influence the other. I wonder if you arrived at a similar installation? I am not currently using any cavities. I need some and am looking for some. Not because the Two meter rigs are causing problems for each other, but because there is a very sloppy paging transmitter in the cabinet next door that is causing problems. I am very pleased with the overall performance of this system and think it is a good solution for those that have existing node/BBS systems that would like to add APRS digi without comprimising their existing system. It is very transparent and works surprisingly well! This system has been in place in Central Georgia for more than 2 years now and we recently upgraded the digi using Alan Crosswell's APRSdigi program for Linux. Yes, we are having fun!........still! 73! de Tom , KR4OL KR4OL-2 Wide, Relay, Trace Central Georgia Wide Area Digi _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From kb5yrz@bigfoot.com Thu Mar 05 18:10:51 1998 Received: from renoir.cftnet.com (renoir.cftnet.com [163.125.1.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id SAA24643 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 18:10:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from ppp200-97.cftnet.com (ppp200-97.cftnet.com [163.125.200.97]) by renoir.cftnet.com (8.8.6/8.6.4) with SMTP id TAA19435 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:14:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980305190853.408f50f4@cftnet.com> X-Sender: steamshp@cftnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 19:08:53 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: Chris Cannon Subject: Re: APRS via MIR In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Excellent opportunity. I, however, will be unavailable to attempt to monitor these two passes, so I will ask this.... Will there be anybody(s) out there feeding these posits to APRSERV? That way, in theory at least, it would be much easier to have a school setup record the posits in real-time, and beyond their location's normal 10-minute availability. Now, if I could just find a way around those darn firewalls..... BTW, how will/would APRSERV react to these posits. I know Steve has filtering built in to the system to eliminate duplicate posits, but would each posit, once updated, be recorded in the 12-hour log? This has possibilities, beyond the hunt of making a first-party MIR QSO. Chris At 17:03 05/03/98 -0600, Bob Bruninga wrote: >By now you have seen the announcemnts. This has caught us all by >surprise and we have LOTS to do before 10 March (4 days from now!) >I will get the straight scoop and pass it out as soon as we figure out the >best plan. > >Everyone should PLAN on somehow demonstrating this or at least BE AT YOUR >station to make it work... We only get 2 Orbits (20 minutes total)... >So this is it... More later. DO NOT PRACTICE VIA MIR.... > >Choose a local digi for your testing.... > >de WB4APR From rvaughan@gate.net Thu Mar 05 19:04:03 1998 Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (root@chickasaw.gate.net [198.206.134.26]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id TAA06321 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:03:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from 200mmx (miafl7-10.gate.net [199.227.169.137]) by chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA110536 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:03:46 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980306010416.00f7d11c@pop.gate.net> X-Sender: rvaughan@pop.gate.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 20:04:16 -0500 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: "Ray J. Vaughan" Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21725] RE: combining digi's on common antenna At 05:32 PM 3/5/98 -0600, you wrote: >Dave, > > I am sending CC of this message to the SIG because I think many >potential APRS digi operators are asking the same question. > > I am the sysop of a dual port "gateway" node and BBS in Central >Georgia. I had wanted to get an APRS Digi on the air there for quite a >while, but could not afford the additional 400' of 7/8" hardline and >additional antenna to do that. > A friend of mine suggested there was a way to use the single >feedline and antenna for two frequencies. I listened. The premise is >simple. We use two receivers listening on the separate frequencies. In >our case, 145.070 for the Node/BBS and 145.790 for APRS. Each of these >receivers is connected to an individual TNC port. I like your approach, but have another... How about 2 TNC's, 2 Radios, each on a port of a 2m duplexer? In theory, it should work. There's 680 kHz between your BBS freq and the new APRS frequency (144.390) so a standard ham 600 kHz duplexer should do it. Yes, expensive, yes big, but it should be a LOT better than a second 7/8" line. Anyone done this yet? Ray, KD4BBM From 71301.3106@compuserve.com Thu Mar 05 19:09:46 1998 Received: from hil-img-3.compuserve.com (hil-img-3.compuserve.com [149.174.177.133]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id TAA06621 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:09:45 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by hil-img-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) id UAA09501 for aprssig@tapr.org; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:09:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:04:59 -0500 From: Mike Musick <71301.3106@compuserve.com> Subject: "Tiger" Maps & "Zip-It" Sender: Mike Musick <71301.3106@compuserve.com> To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com Message-ID: <199803052009_MC2-35AE-C6D5@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Keith S. writes: >ZIPIT is a shareware program for the Mac that works very well for doing ZIP >files on the mac.. Keith (and others)... FWIW, I found Zip-It to be unreliable for map files greater than ~1MB in size. Most of the Mac/Win maps I uploaded to the file area last year compressed with Zip-It turned out to be unreadable with either PKUNZIP.EXE or StuffIt Expander. A change to StuffIt Deluxe solved the problem, and with UnStuffIt Deluxe for Windows a freeware application, a cross-platform exchange *and* a reliable compression means were found. ...mike/N0QBF 71301.3106@compuserve.com From weazle@hurontel.on.ca Thu Mar 05 19:22:52 1998 Received: from brigg.hurontel.on.ca (brigg.hurontel.on.ca [205.206.182.7]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id TAA07217 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:22:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [205.206.182.10]) by brigg.hurontel.on.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA12910; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:22:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (dial-149.hurontel.on.ca [205.206.182.149]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA18003; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:30:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:30:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803060130.UAA18003@mail.hurontel.on.ca> X-Sender: weazle@mail.hurontel.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Skip_Allison-CFAD07@email.mot.com From: "J.B. Weazle McCreath" Subject: Clarification Cc: aprssig@tapr.org Hi Skip: That scheme of connecting your laptop to a stand alone tracker is neat. You didn't mention if it requires a registered version of APRS with the GPS feature also registered in order to work. Also, what are the settings of MCOM and MCON in the KPC-3+ for use as you described? I'm running it as I type this with an un-registered version of APRS813 and it's not showing positions or status, but it is seeing data (callsigns) coming from the TNC, so I know the connections are OK. It is transmitting its position though, as I can see it on another unit across the room. 73, Weazle. J.B. Weazle McCreath, VE3EAR http://www.solwind.on.ca c/o Solwind Enerco Inc., ve3ear@rac.ca Aerial Acres, R.R. 4, tel (519) 524-8703 - office Goderich, ON., Canada tel (519) 524-7420 - home N7A 3Y1 fax (519) 524-6108 From kf4dbx@ipass.net Thu Mar 05 19:31:36 1998 Received: from earth.ipass.net (mx1.ipass.net [198.79.53.12]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id TAA07706 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:31:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from wb4iuy.ipass.net (customs336.ipass.net [207.120.205.229]) by earth.ipass.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA23256; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:31:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:31:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803060131.UAA23256@earth.ipass.net> X-Sender: kf4dbx@mail.ipass.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: rvaughan@gate.net, aprssig@tapr.org From: APRS & FBB Mailbox Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21727] RE: combining digi's on common antenna >How about 2 TNC's, 2 Radios, each on a port of a 2m duplexer? In theory, >it should work. There's 680 kHz between your BBS freq and the new APRS >frequency (144.390) so a standard ham 600 kHz duplexer should do it. Yes, >expensive, yes big, but it should be a LOT better than a second 7/8" line. > >Anyone done this yet? > >Ray, KD4BBM That's the approach I'm taking currently. I've configured one bandpass can and one notch cavity for each radio, totaling 4 cavities. I was wondering if anyone has gotten adequate isolation like this, or should I figure on a total of 6 cavities?? I've already done this by combining a voice repeater on 147.39 and a BBS node on 145.01 with good results. Dave WB4IUY From kd4rdb@usa.net Thu Mar 05 19:48:53 1998 Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net (dns01.ops.usa.net [204.68.24.137]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id TAA09174 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:48:49 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 16894 invoked by alias); 6 Mar 1998 01:48:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 16885 invoked from network); 6 Mar 1998 01:48:46 -0000 Received: from bg4-227.eagnet.com (HELO kd4rdb.eagnet) (199.76.206.227) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 6 Mar 1998 01:48:46 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980305204838.006fec20@mail.eagnet.com> X-Sender: kd4rdb@mail.eagnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 20:48:46 -0500 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: Wes Johnston Subject: MIR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Why don't we get MIR to QSY to 145.79 or 144.39 for that day??? just so they can hit all our digi's and get gated into the net..... sure hope that they send RMC sentances... wounder if aprs will display 17,000 mph? Wes Email: mailto:kd4rdb@usa.net EU ax25: mailto:kd4rdb@on1kul-10.ampr.org WEB: http://www.qsl.net/kd4rdb http://www.qsl.net/kd4rdb/aprs.htm ICQ: 273949 Lat/Long: 3209.36N/08109.88W Covert member of the Secret Right Wing Conspiracy. From jeffb@espi.com Thu Mar 05 19:58:09 1998 Received: from mork.stans.com (mork.stans.com [209.42.7.15]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id TAA09766 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:58:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from dial22.stans.com (dial22.stans.com [209.42.7.122]) by mork.stans.com (NTMail 3.03.0013/1.ab4a) with ESMTP id ea165494 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:57:39 -0600 Message-ID: <34FF58D9.ABF@espi.com> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 20:00:57 -0600 From: Jeff Brenton Reply-To: jeffb@espi.com Organization: Engineered Software Products Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aprssig Subject: One multiport board option Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I sent this stuff to Howard earlier, figured I'd send it to the sig so that everyone who might CONSIDER a multiport serial board could archive it.... I find the STB 4COM board to be a good choice, since all 4 ports can share a common IRQ under Win95/WinNT/OS2. Runs about $100, available from a lot of vendors, although my favourite (http://www.cdw.com) is currently out of stock on them. To get this to, the STB and Win95 is far from automatic.... Unless you're cramped for IRQs, enable your on-motherboard ports, then configure the STB with 4 other ports, all sharing IRQ10, 11 or 12, whichever is free on your system. Make note of the ports and the IRQ you chose; the STB board supports 8 ports and 8 IRQs, so you can get around things like a video card that steps on the "normal" COM4 location, etc. Then, go to Control Panel/Add Hardware, and manually add 4 ports. This means starting Add Hardware 4 times, unfortunately. Next, open the System applet in the Comtrol panel, select the hardware tab, scroll down to the com ports, and select each one in turn. Set the "basic configuration" to 8 (VERY IMPORTANT!!!*), then select the proper port and IRQ. Do this for each port (Remember they're all on ONE IRQ) Now you can restart the machine, and you should have six ports available. Make sure you do NOT use a DOS comm program with these higher ports, though, because it will screw up the Windows serial port driver. Been there, done that, had to reset the computer to fix... [of course, most DOS and some older Windows COMM programs CAN'T access odd ports, so this isn't a BIG concern unless you're using something flexible, like Crosstalk Mk.4] If you have a recent machine with a PCI bus, make sure you visit your setup screen, and tell the BIOS to NOT allow the PCI to use the IRQ you have chosen for the STB 4COM board. Some board can't detect the conflict, and will cause problems. This is usually done by setting the appropriate IRQ to "Legacy/ISA", rather than "PCI/PnP". [* why is this very important? Win95 won't let you change some of the "basic configurations", and only certain items on others. #8 allows you to set BOTH the port and IRQ.] -- Jeff Brenton, Ham Radio call KA9VNV Questionable web page: http://www.dididahdahdidit.com Selling some toys: http://www.espi.com/ForSale.html From jeffb@espi.com Thu Mar 05 20:07:12 1998 Received: from mork.stans.com (mork.stans.com [209.42.7.15]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id UAA10510 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:07:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from dial22.stans.com (dial22.stans.com [209.42.7.122]) by mork.stans.com (NTMail 3.03.0013/1.ab4a) with ESMTP id oa165504 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:06:42 -0600 Message-ID: <34FF5AF8.3E77@espi.com> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 20:10:00 -0600 From: Jeff Brenton Reply-To: jeffb@espi.com Organization: Engineered Software Products Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kf4dbx@ipass.net CC: aprssig Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21730] RE: combining digi's on common antenna References: <199803060131.UAA23256@earth.ipass.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of the big considerations that many hams do NOT take into account with multiple transmitters on one antenna is mix products. When you're not using separate receivers and transmitters, as in a repeater, it's kind of hard to fight this; the usual solution is to add a circulator or similar device to make mix products don't get back into one of the amplifiers, and cause a problem. Unfortunately, "just" tuned cavities (duplexors) don't do a whole lot to stop this problem by themselves... We're looking into this as part of a possible move of our main digipeater to a 500' tower that was built last year. It would have receive at 500', transmit at 350', but... it will have to share antennas with at least 1 2m repeater (145.33, input on 144.73, only 340kHz away), it is on a tower that has a 50,000 watt FM station, and is inside the array of a 50,000 watt AM station. Plus there are the other commercial and ham repeaters to consider. The mix calculations were a mess with APRS on 145.79; we're dreading what the change to 144.39 will do to them, so we haven't punched it into the computer yet! APRS & FBB Mailbox wrote: > That's the approach I'm taking currently. I've configured one bandpass > can and one notch cavity for each radio, totaling 4 cavities. I was > wondering if anyone has gotten adequate isolation like this, or should > I figure on a total of 6 cavities?? I've already done this by > combining a voice repeater on 147.39 and a BBS node on 145.01 with > good results. -- Jeff Brenton, Ham Radio call KA9VNV Questionable web page: http://www.dididahdahdidit.com Selling some toys: http://www.espi.com/ForSale.html From jono@webspun.com Thu Mar 05 20:20:11 1998 Received: from axon.axnet.com (axon.axnet.com [207.252.104.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id UAA11371 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:20:09 -0600 (CST) X-ROUTED: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:22:52 -0600 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Jono Received: from [207.252.105.136] [207.252.105.136] by axon.axnet.com with smtp id BEBGCLDL ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:22:44 -0600 Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21672] Re: Extraneous Data Date: Thu, 5 Mar 98 20:21:36 -0600 x-sender: jono@popmail.webspun.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: Jon Ogden To: "John W Wilson" cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: >Interesting, but if the TNC somehow gets into CONV mode then the GPS will >send it's output to the TNC and the TNC will transmit everything it sees, >forever, and at a very rapid rate. If this is happening then you may be >yelled at by your local APRS users, hi. > > >John W. Wilson, KN4HX True. But not if the TNC is set up properly in GPS mode. 73, Jon KE9NA ------------------------------------- Jon Ogden KE9NA http://www.qsl.net/ke9na "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." From dpfister@kc.net Thu Mar 05 20:40:16 1998 Received: from tut.o2.net (root@tut.o2.net [207.239.192.51]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id UAA12582 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:40:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from tnt-01-177.kcdata.com (tnt-01-177.kcdata.com [207.239.195.177]) by tut.o2.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA26661 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:40:09 -0600 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:40:09 -0600 Message-Id: <199803060240.UAA26661@tut.o2.net> X-Sender: dpfister@pop3.kc.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: aprssig@tapr.org From: Don Pfister KA0JLF Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21653] RE: 145.79 Crutches At 10:14 AM 3/4/98 -0600, you wrote: >One surprising note has been the number of users (many of whom were very >strongly in favor of the QSY...) that have been "bouncing back and >forth" between 144.390 and 145.79! After we commited to QSY, announced >a firm date for the move, and then actually "moved", I figured users >would completely "abandon" 145.790. Seems those old habits die hard! > >Bill Young FYI, Some of us (sounds like who Bill was referring to) have multiple radios/stations and are on BOTH freqs at the same time. 73 de Don [Signature File] Name=Don Pfister KA0JLF HABITAT SkyLab (High Altitude Basic Investigation Testing And Tracking) Email=dpfister@kc.net or donp@netlab.org http://www.netlab.org/habitat http://www.kc.net/~dpfister http://www.netlab.org/~donp http://www.netlab.org:8888/ Visit the Lab in the Hobby wing. HABITAT being built... From rwf@mindspring.com Thu Mar 05 21:13:39 1998 Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id VAA14509 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:13:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from e09454.na.cokecce.com (user-37kb6ve.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.155.238]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA19199 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:13:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803060313.WAA19199@camel14.mindspring.com> X-Sender: rwf@mail.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 22:05:24 -0500 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: rwf Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21704] combining digi's on common antenna In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" When APRS is on 145.79 ,it is very easy to combine with 145.0x digis. It is almost a 600 KHz split. The duplexer thinks it is a repeater. There is at least 1 local digi doing it now... soon to be two, I think. As far as 144.39 goes, it may work too. You just have to be at least 600 KHz away or so. And as an added extra plus, it forces you to use a filter on your radio. The folks with repeater inputs on and above 144.51 will thank you. You may not raise their noise floor as much then, and you may be able to keep your site. KR4OL@mindspring.com has a VERY novel way of combining 2 simplex radios. You have to play with coax relays, but it is still ingenious. For your more complicated question, just give the folks at TXRX or DB Products a call. They will calculate it for you. What you mentioned may work, but I predict a lot of loss! Why not use sep antennas and still use the filters. Or try just the notches. If you are really set on doing this, write to Kip of the Atlanta ATV group. I think you know his address, if not I will send it to you privately. 73 Ralph At 08:00 AM 3/5/98 -0600, you wrote: >I'm curious if any of you digi owners are combining digi's with other 2 >equipment on a common antenna. Currently, I have a BBS node on 145.01 >combined with my 147.390+ repeater at one site...but it did take a lot of >work due to the duplex operation of the voice repeater. > >I am building a duplexer stack now to combine the 145.79 APRS digi with a >BBS node on 147.54mhz. I'm curious if any of you have done similar >applications, and how many cavities you used. I've assembled one band pass >cavity for each of the frequencies, and 1 notch cavity for each. I wonder if >this 4 cavity arrangement will provide sufficient isolation between the APRS >and BBS nodes. Both rigs are synthesized, so phase noise may throw an extra >wrench in the works... Any input?? > >Dave WB4IUY > From k4hg@tapr.org Thu Mar 05 22:01:20 1998 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ppp-12.mia-tc-1.netrox.net [207.16.8.75]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id WAA17162; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:01:16 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199803060401.WAA17162@tapr.org> Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21726] Re: APRS via MIR Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 23:01:16 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Steve Dimse K4HG To: , "aprssig" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" On 3/5/98 7:12 PM Chris Cannon (kb5yrz@bigfoot.com) wrote: >Will there be anybody(s) out there feeding these posits to APRSERV? >That way, in theory at least, it would be much easier to have a school >setup record the posits in real-time, and beyond their location's >normal 10-minute availability. Now, if I could just find a way >around those darn firewalls..... > We are hoping a lot of people will be feeding...I will, but sadly I will be in Miami, away from my OSCAR antennas. >BTW, how will/would APRSERV react to these posits. I know Steve >has filtering built in to the system to eliminate duplicate posits, >but would each posit, once updated, be recorded in the 12-hour log? They will be relayed correctly, and displayed correctly in javAPRS. A special page has been setup with just the Mir tracking posits, and any posits relayed by R0MIR. Full details will be out in a few days... Steve K4HG From wa6ylb@theworks.com Thu Mar 05 22:13:06 1998 Received: from ns.theworks.com (root@ns.theworks.com [206.171.181.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id WAA17832 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:13:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from default (visalia57.theworks.com [209.77.229.157]) by ns.theworks.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA17221; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:06:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803060406.UAA17221@ns.theworks.com> X-Sender: wa6ylb@mail.theworks.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 20:05:43 -0800 To: kr4ol@juno.com From: Byron Smith Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21725] RE: combining digi's on common antenna Cc: aprssig@tapr.org, aprs@lists.monterey.edu In-Reply-To: <19980305.180525.4815.0.kr4ol@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am running a 4 port WORM digi, with 3 VHF and 1 HF connected all the time Two of the radios are connected on a single duplexer. The 144.39 and 145.79 radios use this duplexer. Both radios use an 6 db station master at 165' Works pretty good. THe other VHF channel uses a 11 element yagi trying to hear the last remaining remements of the old 145.01 aprs channel in central/northern Ca. The last local .01 digi died, and was slated to change .39 as soon as access thru the snow permitted (7500') At 05:32 PM 3/5/98 -0600, you wrote: >Dave, > > I am sending CC of this message to the SIG because I think many >potential APRS digi operators are asking the same question. > > I am the sysop of a dual port "gateway" node and BBS in Central >Georgia. I had wanted to get an APRS Digi on the air there for quite a >while, but could not afford the additional 400' of 7/8" hardline and >additional antenna to do that. > A friend of mine suggested there was a way to use the single >feedline and antenna for two frequencies. I listened. The premise is >simple. We use two receivers listening on the separate frequencies. In >our case, 145.070 for the Node/BBS and 145.790 for APRS. Each of these >receivers is connected to an individual TNC port. > The transmitter is another rig that is programmed with the two >transmitt frequencies on channel 1 and channel 2 respectively. The >transmitter defaults to channel 1 which is the Node/BBS. When the >Node/BBS TNC calls for transmit, it simply keys the rig and sends the >data. When the APRS TNC calls for transmit, it not only keys the rig, but >must change the channel in the transmitter. Since the TNC PTT is done by >showing ground potential to the rig, so also is channel selection >acheived. This makes it easy to Key the rig and select channel at the >same time. The two TNC PTT's are separated at the rig with a diode, one >TNC can't influence the other. > I wonder if you arrived at a similar installation? > > I am not currently using any cavities. I need some and am looking >for some. Not because the Two meter rigs are causing problems for each >other, but because there is a very sloppy paging transmitter in the >cabinet next door that is causing problems. > > I am very pleased with the overall performance of this system and >think it is a good solution for those that have existing node/BBS systems >that would like to add APRS digi without comprimising their existing >system. It is very transparent and works surprisingly well! This system >has been in place in Central Georgia for more than 2 years now and we >recently upgraded the digi using Alan Crosswell's APRSdigi program for >Linux. > > Yes, we are having fun!........still! > > 73! de Tom , KR4OL > KR4OL-2 Wide, Relay, Trace > Central Georgia Wide Area Digi > > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > Byron Smith wa6ylb@theworks.com - Webpage: http://www.theworks.com/~wa6ylb wa6ylb@wa6ylb.#cca.ca.usa.noam If a man makes a statement, deep in the forest, and there isn't a woman around to hear him, is he still wrong? From rvaughan@gate.net Thu Mar 05 22:14:55 1998 Received: from chickasaw.gate.net (root@chickasaw.gate.net [198.206.134.26]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id WAA17895 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:14:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from 200mmx (miafl4-10.gate.net [199.227.35.201]) by chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA84374 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 23:14:47 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980306041520.01138498@pop.gate.net> X-Sender: rvaughan@pop.gate.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 23:15:20 -0500 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: "Ray J. Vaughan" Subject: Serial Ports I have a bunch of boards that appear to be older 8 port serial cards. They have 8 16C450's. The markings are "AMI" "Assy 1000009-2" (c) 1986 "Lamb Board" The RS-232's fan out to 2 F DB-37's and from there to I guess it's up to you to make the cables you need. I have NO docs on these. Let me know if you know anything about these boards. If they have any applications for APRS I'll be happy to let them go for shipping costs. But I need to find out that they CAN be used... I don't want to send them unless there's a pretty good chance you can use them. Ray, KD4BBM From jono@webspun.com Thu Mar 05 22:49:13 1998 Received: from axon.axnet.com (axon.axnet.com [207.252.104.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id WAA19969 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:49:10 -0600 (CST) X-ROUTED: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:51:54 -0600 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Jono Received: from [207.252.105.119] [207.252.105.119] by axon.axnet.com with smtp id BGDDCPBL ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:51:46 -0600 Subject: Temporary HF->144.39 Gate Date: Thu, 5 Mar 98 22:50:40 -0600 x-sender: jono@popmail.webspun.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: Jon Ogden To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: After consultation with our local technical coordinator, I will be operating a temporary HF-> 144.39 gateway for the Chicago area. I will be operational tonight and will continue until the permanent gate, K9GD moves over to 144.39 on 3/14. Callsign is KE9NA See u there! 73, Jon KE9NA ------------------------------------- Jon Ogden KE9NA http://www.qsl.net/ke9na "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." From n0lrf@ott.net Thu Mar 05 22:51:19 1998 Received: from is.ott.net (is.ott.net [208.217.112.65]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id WAA20077 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:51:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from port26.ott.net (port26.ott.net [208.217.112.96]) by is.ott.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA06262 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:49:23 -0600 From: n0lrf@ott.net (Paul Stump) To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: 17m Report... Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 04:46:43 GMT Reply-To: n0lrf@ott.net Message-ID: <35067b49.20733508@mail.ott.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings, =46or those of you losing sleep about how APRS on 17 meters is doing---here's da report. Alive and getting better every day... =46rom the Kansas City, USA area: Heard daily: K7OFT from Seattle, WA, USA, along with his gated friends: W7AA-10 K70FT-10 N7GAD-10 K7GPS-7 N7RIG-9 WB7VLW-14 Heard every few days: WA4HEI from UP, MI W5EBS from Apache Jct, AZ, USA 17m is quite open during daylight hours here. In the SSB segment, lots of European SSB stations in the mornings, and both coasts throughout the day. This is a big improvement from say, 3 months ago. Discussion: Why don't the few of us on 17m use ECHO,GATE,WIDE? It would add some activity to the frequency. Your thoughts? One last note, be sure to see the APRS Plug in the March, QST, Rubber Duckies article... Cheers, Paul Ottawa, KS, USA n0lrf@ott.net http://www.ott.net/~n0lrf/ From msandss@po.jah.or.jp Fri Mar 06 00:54:06 1998 Received: from po.jah.ne.jp (0@cosmo.jah.ne.jp [210.162.2.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id AAA08621 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 00:53:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from [210.162.3.146] (dp2146.jah.ne.jp [210.162.3.146]) by po.jah.ne.jp (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta9/3.6W-jahgw98010516) with ESMTP id PAA15507 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:53:43 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:37:23 +0900 To: APRS SIG From: Matthew Stennett Subject: Mission IMPOSSIBLE; Accomplished! Due to TREMENDOUS responce, thanks to this-here SIG, Matt, the moron, has sucessfully UN-Zipped/Stuffed the TIGER map of Orange County (FL) and will not start planning WHERE in will live in it! (Orange county) Thanks everyone; I UN-Zipped it (whatever)Stuffed it with StuffitExpander, which, I already had. Thanks again. "Now all we need is a band opening" MadMax. P.S. For those of you keeping up with the situation, 7J6CAT/1 now has a NEW, HOT OFF THE LINE; ICOM-IC-746. All fired/wired-up and on the air. (SSB/CW/Packet/FM, you name it) 18Mhz SWR is TOO HIGH. So those of you on there, well, sorry. I am on 10.151 or I suggest 20M; 14.105, or whatever it is. Later MacRatt Matt; 7J6CAT/1 The ONLY APRS station in J-Pan! From w6hqa@west.net Fri Mar 06 01:38:28 1998 Received: from acme.sb.west.net (acme.sb.west.net [205.254.224.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id BAA15086 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 01:38:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from big-cheese (term1-14.simi.west.net [205.254.244.46]) by acme.sb.west.net (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA00052 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 23:38:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001d01bd48d2$863e3e00$2ef4fecd@big-cheese> From: "Howard Coleman, W6HQA" To: "APRS Sig" Subject: STB 4-COM card Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 23:36:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Publicly, thank you Jeff. The directions were dead on the mark and my system now has seven com ports (one is the internal modem) so that leaves six working com ports. Does anyone know if Peet has some type of splitter so I can feed the data into two ports, one for APRS and the second for the Peet tracking log for windows? 73 Howard From kf4dbx@ipass.net Fri Mar 06 05:55:55 1998 Received: from earth.ipass.net (mx1.ipass.net [198.79.53.12]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id FAA24143 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 05:55:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from wb4iuy.ipass.net (customs460.ipass.net [207.120.205.61]) by earth.ipass.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA02730 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 06:55:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 06:55:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803061155.GAA02730@earth.ipass.net> X-Sender: kf4dbx@mail.ipass.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: aprssig@tapr.org From: APRS & FBB Mailbox Subject: WIDE n-n in digi's... How many of the digi's in NC,VA use the WIDEn-n in their command set?? I set our local digi KQ4MS-3 to WIDE3-3, and set the IUFLOOD and UIDIGI on (wide). Most of the locals set their unproto to wide 3-3, but it doesn't seem to work as well as the kq4ms-3,wide,wide we were using in our stations. Could be propogation, but it made me wonder if our signals were running into a wall 1 hop out... Any ideas or input?? Should I do anything with UIDWAIT?? Dave WB4IUY From Foley_Mark/ROBINS_AFB@wrdiss1.robins.af.mil Fri Mar 06 06:00:55 1998 Received: from wrdiss1.robins.af.mil (wrdiss1.robins.af.mil [137.244.190.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id GAA24196 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 06:00:53 -0600 (CST) From: Foley_Mark/ROBINS_AFB@wrdiss1.robins.af.mil Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by wrdiss1.robins.af.mil (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA27027; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:01:20 -0500 (EST) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 98 07:00:56 -0500 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199803060313.WAA19199@camel14.mindspring.com> Subject: [APRSSIG:21736] Re: combining digi's on common antenna TO: aprssig@tapr.org, rwf@mindspring.com Ralph, any time frame for our network moving to .39? Mark A. Foley, NA4V If at first you don't succeed...don't try skydiving From kf4dbx@ipass.net Fri Mar 06 06:56:35 1998 Received: from earth.ipass.net (earth.ipass.net [198.79.53.26]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id GAA05373 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 06:56:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from wb4iuy.ipass.net (customs1017.ipass.net [208.209.104.18]) by earth.ipass.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA06237 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:56:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:56:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803061256.HAA06237@earth.ipass.net> X-Sender: kf4dbx@mail.ipass.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: aprssig@tapr.org From: APRS & FBB Mailbox Subject: more wide n-n... Well, I set our digi up for widen-n, neat idea. Then, got most of the locals to set their digipaths to VIA KQ4MS-3,WIDE3-3 or just VIA WIDE3-3. Problem is, it seems that the others digi's aren't set up to deal with widen-n, and no one gets digi'd. I tried several variations this am in the band opening, but nothing seemed to work as good as VIA KQ4MS-3,WIDE,WIDE. Am I doing something wrong?? Thanks, Dave WB4IUY From byoung@cmh.edu Fri Mar 06 07:27:01 1998 Received: from exchange1.cmh.edu ([208.233.17.66]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id HAA08028 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:27:00 -0600 (CST) Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:33:34 -0600 Message-ID: <119D55D6D69FD011AB9B000092966BB42D2346@EXCHANGE2> From: "Young, Bill" To: aprssig@tapr.org Cc: w6hqa@west.net Subject: RE: [APRSSIG:21743] STB 4-COM card/Peet serial split Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:28:24 -0600 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Howard and the group, You just split the serial feed with a "standard" RJ-45 splitter. You can assemble the required "extra" RJ-45 to DB9/DB25 coupler (Peet Bros. provides the pin-out both in the WX station docs and on their website...) or Peet will sell it to you. I currently feed two PCs (one APRS and one running Peet's Data Logger software). Bill Young KB0UZQ P.S. The STB card was one I'd considered for adding "extra" serial ports to my personal equipment as well, but several of my peers in the computer biz had reported better serial port performance with cards that allowed assigning a "dedicated" IRQ to each port needed IF YOU HAVE THE IRQs AVAILABLE. I did have two available IRQs on each PC, so went with the SIIG cards. Let me know about your performance with multiple ports sharing the same IRQ. > -----Original Message----- > From: Howard Coleman, W6HQA [SMTP:w6hqa@west.net] > Sent: Friday, March 06, 1998 1:43 AM > To: aprssig@tapr.org > Subject: [APRSSIG:21743] STB 4-COM card > > Publicly, thank you Jeff. The directions were dead on the mark and my > system now has seven com ports (one is the internal modem) so that > leaves > six working com ports. > > Does anyone know if Peet has some type of splitter so I can feed the > data > into two ports, one for APRS and the second for the Peet tracking log > for > windows? > > 73 Howard From kd5xb@amsat.org Fri Mar 06 07:38:42 1998 Received: from mailserve.pdrpip.com (mailserve.pdrpip.com [207.108.255.253]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id HAA08711 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:38:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from server1.pdrpip.com (207.108.255.55) by mailserve.pdrpip.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 1.2.2) with SMTP id ; Fri, 06 Mar 1998 06:48:26 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980306063808.00c0d3d0@mail.pdrpip.com> X-Sender: needhame@mail.pdrpip.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 06:38:08 -0700 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: Earl Needham Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21742] Mission IMPOSSIBLE; Accomplished! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:00 AM 3/6/98 -0600, Matthew Stennett wrote: >I am on 10.151 or I suggest 20M; 14.105, or whatever it is. This is just a guess, but won't 30 meters get from Japan to, say Hawaii, or even California, where someone could put the info on TCP/IP? I've been looking for quite a while, and I've never seen Matt on my screen. Is anyone in North America seeing him? Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, NM DM84 Registered: APRS/DOS & WinAPRS From jleonard@tbcnet.com Fri Mar 06 07:50:45 1998 Received: from tbc1.tbcnet.com (root@tbc1.tbcnet.com [207.112.224.11]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id HAA09435 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:50:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from s-jleo (tc1-dekalb-77.tbcnet.com [207.112.225.77]) by tbc1.tbcnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16188 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:07:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199803061407.IAA16188@tbc1.tbcnet.com> From: "John B. Leonard, Jr." To: "aprssig" Subject: WA9CJN-15 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:50:20 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First the bad news...In the process of replacing the prom of the KPC3 at WA9CJN-15 in Lindenwood, IL yesterday, I broke it. Not the prom, but the digi. I hope to have it back on the air today. However, expect intermittant outages between now and the QSY on the 13th Local/14th Zulu. Now the good news...I think I'm over the flu. bl ------------------------------------------------------ J Barry Leonard/W9JBL DeKalb IL E-MAIL mailto:jleonard@tbcnet.com WWW Home Page http://tbcnet.com/~jleonard/home.html American Red Cross Disaster Services - Rockford IL Chapter From pmarkham@ns1.lagasco.com Fri Mar 06 07:58:41 1998 Received: from ns1.lagasco.com ([208.134.253.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id HAA09820 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:58:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from remote.lagasco.com ([208.134.253.31] (may be forged)) by ns1.lagasco.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id IAA00263 for ; Fri, 06 Mar 1998 08:53:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199803061353.IAA00263@ns1.lagasco.com> From: "pmarkham" To: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:58:38 -0005 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re:17m Report... Priority: normal In-reply-to: <35067b49.20733508@mail.ott.net> > Discussion: Why don't the few of us on 17m use ECHO,GATE,WIDE? It > would add some activity to the frequency. Your thoughts? From my perspective, no problem. I suggested to 7J6CAT/1 that he do that which you suggest. I hear all sorts of ssb European dx with the 75m dipole at 33ft, from ~1300 to ~1900 Z, and US activity from ~1300 to ~0100Z. Sure would be nice to rope in some European APRS interest. That point that I wish to make is: It is a shame? that propagation that will support all sorts of ssb activity from dawn 'til dusk is not used more for hf APRS. At current solar activity levels, the best predictable 17m propagation lies within that part of the Earth in sunlight. See you on 18,107,700 mark. PS. Thanks to those that responded to my F,Z query. I didn't want to take any risks by saving to a file then trying F,N. Pete/wa4hei The meek will not inherit the Earth. From billn@seussnt.stratus.com Fri Mar 06 08:32:05 1998 Received: from mailhub.stratus.com (mailhub.stratus.com [134.111.1.14]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id IAA11689 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:32:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from lectroid.sw.stratus.com (lectroid.sw.stratus.com [134.111.10.1]) by mailhub.stratus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA26432; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:35:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from terminator.sw.stratus.com (terminator.sw.stratus.com [134.111.102.61]) by lectroid.sw.stratus.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04489; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:32:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by terminator.sw.stratus.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:32:01 -0500 Message-ID: <16C8700DF620D111B03600A024BF26FB75B957@terminator.sw.stratus.com> From: "Northup, Bill" To: "'aprssig@tapr.org'" Cc: "Northup, Bill" Subject: RE: [APRSSIG:21721] APRSSIG digest 1417 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:31:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain [Northup, Bill] Hi, Dave The digi that I have set up in Marlbor Ma (N1QPR-2) is set up that way. We have a NetRom node on 145.03 and APRS on the same antenna. We found that we needed a 6 cavity duplexerwith 2 pass and 1 notch on each side. With this we get > 100db of attenuation. At our site there were a lot of other transmitters and this arangement has helped both digi's hear better because the duplexer filters out a lot of noise as well. There is only one problem - is your shelter heated? Mine is not and we have problems with the cavitys drifting in cold weather. We have a way to heat them that help reduce the problem but no eliminate it. It has worked well enough that we are working on the same arrangement for a second site. Bill N1QPR > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:59:17 -0500 > From: "Hockaday, Dave" > To: "'APRS Sig'" > Subject: combining digi's on common antenna > Message-ID: > > > I'm curious if any of you digi owners are combining digi's with other > 2 > equipment on a common antenna. Currently, I have a BBS node on 145.01 > combined with my 147.390+ repeater at one site...but it did take a lot > of > work due to the duplex operation of the voice repeater. > > I am building a duplexer stack now to combine the 145.79 APRS digi > with a > BBS node on 147.54mhz. I'm curious if any of you have done similar > applications, and how many cavities you used. I've assembled one band > pass > cavity for each of the frequencies, and 1 notch cavity for each. I > wonder if > this 4 cavity arrangement will provide sufficient isolation between > the APRS > and BBS nodes. Both rigs are synthesized, so phase noise may throw an > extra > wrench in the works... Any input?? > > Dave WB4IUY > > ************************** From jeffb@espi.com Fri Mar 06 08:45:45 1998 Received: from mork.stans.com (mork.stans.com [209.42.7.15]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id IAA12263 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:45:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from dial35.stans.com (dial35.stans.com [209.42.7.135]) by mork.stans.com (NTMail 3.03.0013/1.ab4a) with ESMTP id ya165800 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:45:21 -0600 Message-ID: <35000BAE.44C1@espi.com> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 08:43:58 -0600 From: Jeff Brenton Reply-To: jeffb@espi.com Organization: Engineered Software Products, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: byoung@cmh.edu CC: aprssig Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21747] RE: STB 4-COM card/Peet serial split References: <119D55D6D69FD011AB9B000092966BB42D2346@EXCHANGE2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The STB 4COM board allows the choice of up to 4 different IRQs out of 8 available, and any port can be assigned to any IRQ. You don't HAVE to share IRQs with it, but, because the ports are all on one board, you CAN share.... provided your software supports it. OS/2 (with the Gwinn SIO drivers, highly recommended!), Win95 and WinNT do support the sharing. As for performance, I can run a full-speed 56K internet connection, a TNC and a weather station on the three ports that are sharing IRQ12 in my system, under Win95 on a Pentium 120. Bill Young wrote: > P.S. The STB card was one I'd considered for adding "extra" serial > ports to my personal equipment as well, but several of my peers in the > computer biz had reported better serial port performance with cards > that allowed assigning a "dedicated" IRQ to each port needed IF YOU > HAVE THE IRQs AVAILABLE. I did have two available IRQs on each PC, > so went with the SIIG cards. Let me know about your performance with > multiple ports sharing the same IRQ. > -- Jeff Brenton, Ham radio call KA9VNV http://www.espi.com Questionable web page: http://www.dididahdahdidit.com Covert supporter of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (tm) From jono@webspun.com Fri Mar 06 08:50:12 1998 Received: from axon.axnet.com (axon.axnet.com [207.252.104.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id IAA12699 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:50:10 -0600 (CST) X-ROUTED: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:52:54 -0600 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Jono Received: from [207.252.105.71] [207.252.105.71] by axon.axnet.com with smtp id AIDECJFF ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:52:42 -0600 Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21748] Re: Mission IMPOSSIBLE; Accomplished! Date: Fri, 6 Mar 98 08:53:23 -0600 x-sender: jono@popmail.webspun.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Jon Ogden To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: >At 01:00 AM 3/6/98 -0600, Matthew Stennett wrote: > >>I am on 10.151 or I suggest 20M; 14.105, or whatever it is. > > This is just a guess, but won't 30 meters get from Japan to, say Hawaii, >or even California, where someone could put the info on TCP/IP? I've been >looking for quite a while, and I've never seen Matt on my screen. > > Is anyone in North America seeing him? > I am not seeing him either. 30 Meters should have propagation fairly similar to 20 meters, except that it will stay open later. Down in the lower portion of the band you can hear a good amount of CW DX, so it isn't just a "local" HF band. Knowing how crowded Japan is (been there 4 or 5 times) and how one does really not have space for large dipoles, etc. I wonder what kind of antenna Matt is using. I think we will eventually see him. But for that matter, I am not seeing any KH6 stations either. 73, Jon KE9NA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Ogden jono@webspun.com www.qsl.net/ke9na "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." From pk@ij.net Fri Mar 06 08:52:18 1998 Received: from solomon (solomon.ij.net [207.22.166.254]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id IAA12789 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:52:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from [207.223.219.153] by solomon (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id xa742609 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:51:19 -0500 Message-ID: <005d01bd490f$bbbb6700$99dbdfcf@pknupke.tdts.com> From: "Paul E. Knupke, Jr." To: Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21750] Re:17m Report... Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:23:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3007.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3007.0 I've been on 30 meters alot lately but since N0TZV has been acting at our local gate in the Tampa area maybe I'll venture up to 17 meters soon and see what kinda propogation I see. I see you are on only during that on 17 and I'll do the same I guess. 73, Paul KR4YL -----Original Message----- From: pmarkham To: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Friday, March 06, 1998 9:05 AM Subject: [APRSSIG:21750] Re:17m Report... > >> Discussion: Why don't the few of us on 17m use ECHO,GATE,WIDE? It >> would add some activity to the frequency. Your thoughts? > > From my perspective, no problem. I suggested to 7J6CAT/1 that he do that >which you suggest. I hear all sorts of ssb European dx with the 75m dipole at >33ft, from ~1300 to ~1900 Z, and US activity from ~1300 to ~0100Z. Sure would >be nice to rope in some European APRS interest. > > That point that I wish to make is: It is a shame? that propagation that will >support all sorts of ssb activity from dawn 'til dusk is not used more for hf >APRS. At current solar activity levels, the best predictable 17m propagation >lies within that part of the Earth in sunlight. > > See you on 18,107,700 mark. > > PS. Thanks to those that responded to my F,Z query. I didn't want to >take any risks by saving to a file then trying F,N. > > Pete/wa4hei > > > The meek will not inherit the Earth. > From jono@webspun.com Fri Mar 06 08:54:48 1998 Received: from axon.axnet.com (axon.axnet.com [207.252.104.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id IAA12868 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:54:46 -0600 (CST) X-ROUTED: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:57:30 -0600 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Jono Received: from [207.252.105.71] [207.252.105.71] by axon.axnet.com with smtp id AIDJBECB ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:57:20 -0600 Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21750] Re:17m Report... Date: Fri, 6 Mar 98 08:58:02 -0600 x-sender: jono@popmail.webspun.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Jon Ogden To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: > That point that I wish to make is: It is a shame? that propagation that >will >support all sorts of ssb activity from dawn 'til dusk is not used more for >hf >APRS. Why do you not think that 30 meters can support that kind of propagation?? It can and does. It's just a band that not a lot of people use. And you don't hear SSB cause it's not legal. Believe me, if 40 meters supports DX propagation (it does, just look at a DX cluster) and 20 meters supports DX propagation (it definitely does) than 30 meters will support it too. 73, Jon KE9NA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Ogden jono@webspun.com www.qsl.net/ke9na "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." From byoung@cmh.edu Fri Mar 06 09:04:37 1998 Received: from exchange1.cmh.edu ([208.233.17.66]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id JAA13560 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:04:36 -0600 (CST) Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:11:13 -0600 Message-ID: <119D55D6D69FD011AB9B000092966BB42D234E@EXCHANGE2> From: "Young, Bill" To: jeffb@espi.com Cc: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: RE: [APRSSIG:21747] RE: STB 4-COM card/Peet serial split Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:06:00 -0600 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Jeff, Neat! That's great info to have for the "next generation" of PCs to inhabit my QTH. There were some other advantages of the SIIG cards in my case: The "two-now-and-four-later-card" was $39 *and* was available in "real time" . The "two-16650" card was $59 *and* was available in "real time" too! I'll "hand down" these serial cards sooner or later, and your recommendation/experience will be good info to have! Thanks again. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Brenton [SMTP:jeffb@espi.com] > Sent: Friday, March 06, 1998 8:44 AM > To: Young, Bill > Cc: aprssig > Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21747] RE: STB 4-COM card/Peet serial split > > The STB 4COM board allows the choice of up to 4 different IRQs out of > 8 > available, and any port can be assigned to any IRQ. You don't HAVE to > share IRQs with it, but, because the ports are all on one board, you > CAN > share.... provided your software supports it. OS/2 (with the Gwinn SIO > drivers, highly recommended!), Win95 and WinNT do support the sharing. > > As for performance, I can run a full-speed 56K internet connection, a > TNC and a weather station on the three ports that are sharing IRQ12 in > my system, under Win95 on a Pentium 120. > > Bill Young wrote: > > > P.S. The STB card was one I'd considered for adding "extra" serial > > ports to my personal equipment as well, but several of my peers in > the > > computer biz had reported better serial port performance with cards > > that allowed assigning a "dedicated" IRQ to each port needed IF YOU > > HAVE THE IRQs AVAILABLE. I did have two available IRQs on each PC, > > so went with the SIIG cards. Let me know about your performance with > > multiple ports sharing the same IRQ. > > > > -- > > Jeff Brenton, Ham radio call KA9VNV > http://www.espi.com > Questionable web page: http://www.dididahdahdidit.com > Covert supporter of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (tm) From bruninga@nadn.navy.mil Fri Mar 06 09:27:19 1998 Received: from arctic.nadn.navy.mil (arctic.nadn.navy.mil [131.121.8.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id JAA15105 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:27:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (bruninga@localhost) by arctic.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA17007 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:27:17 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.nadn.navy.mil: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:27:17 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic Reply-To: Bob Bruninga To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: MIR-APRS-TEST Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Details to follow regarding the test, but I need a few special UPLINK sites that are fully AMSAT tracking capable, and fully experienced with TNC's and APRSdos and can work make it all work the first time.. These sites will uplink MIR posits so that MIR will show up on everyone's MAP displays. I have a kludged up copy of APRSdos that will send such packets. I need a primary and backup site in the Pacific Northwest (AOS), a primary and backup in the CENTRAL USA (north of TX) and a BACKUP in the midatlantic, and a primary and backup in FLA. Both of these orbits enter the USA over the Pacific Northwest heading almost due east. The first exits the USA off of NJ and the second one exits over Miami. San Diego and Southern TX may not see it on the first pass, and Maine may miss the second pass. These stations should be able to track the spacecraft with gain antennas to assure their packets get through. They should also be manned 1430-1650 UTC on Tuesday... Lemme know if you can help. de bob From wa6ylb@theworks.com Fri Mar 06 10:01:09 1998 Received: from ns.theworks.com (root@ns.theworks.com [206.171.181.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id KAA17300 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:01:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from default (visalia27.theworks.com [209.77.229.127]) by ns.theworks.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA00337; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:53:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803061553.HAA00337@ns.theworks.com> X-Sender: wa6ylb@mail.theworks.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 07:52:05 -0800 To: jono@webspun.com From: Byron Smith Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21753] Re: Mission IMPOSSIBLE; Accomplished! Cc: aprssig@tapr.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I wonder if he can hear WWV at 10.00 Mhz. He might try listening for it to know if the band is open there. > >> This is just a guess, but won't 30 meters get from Japan to, say Hawaii, >>or even California, Byron Smith wa6ylb@theworks.com - Webpage: http://www.theworks.com/~wa6ylb wa6ylb@wa6ylb.#cca.ca.usa.noam If a man makes a statement, deep in the forest, and there isn't a woman around to hear him, is he still wrong? From paul.stump@garmin.com Fri Mar 06 11:30:23 1998 Received: from dresden.garmin.com ([208.130.211.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id LAA21859 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:30:21 -0600 (CST) From: paul.stump@garmin.com Received: from dresden.garmin.com (root@localhost) by dresden.garmin.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA23278; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:32:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from tobruk.garmin.com ([10.1.0.8]) by dresden.garmin.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA23260; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:32:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from POP3 Client by tobruk.garmin.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.01.01) id AA889202790; Fri, 06 Mar 98 11:29:12 -0600 Message-Id: <9803068892.AA889202790@tobruk.garmin.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.01.01 Date: Fri, 06 Mar 98 16:46:18 -0600 To: Subject: FWD: GARMIN & Y2k... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit March 3, 1998 Dear Customer: Thank you for your recent inquiry regarding GARMIN products. As we approach the end of the millennium many customers have concerns regarding the year 2000, otherwise known as Y2K, and GPS products. We hope this letter will answer all of your questions and help in any planning required for this event. GARMIN took Y2K considerations into account from the beginning of its product development. As such GARMIN products should continue to operate after the year 2000. Products that display two digits for year will display 00 for the year 2000, 01 for the year 2001, and so on. If you are interfacing a GARMIN product to an NMEA device such as a plotter or moving map, you should check with the respective manufacturer to be certain that these products can properly receive the 2 digit date in the NMEA data. Another important event for GPS receivers will occur on August 22, 1999. This event, known as GPS week number rollover, is when the week number transmitted in the satellite navigation message will change from 1023 to 0. The GPS week number rollover will not cause navigation errors for GARMIN products if operated during the rollover event. Some older GARMIN products will need to perform an "auto locate" or "search the sky" operation in order to acquire satellites and perform navigation functions after the GPS week number rollover occurs. In order to facilitate our customers GARMIN will issue instructions for each product a few weeks prior to the GPS week number rollover event. All products currently manufactured by GARMIN are Y2K compatible and do not require any user intervention in order to operate after the GPS rollover event takes place. The GPS system is operated by the Government of the United States of America which is solely responsible for its accuracy and maintenance including any GPS control segment and space segment issues associated with Y2K and GPS week number rollover. The GPS system is subject to changes which can affect the accuracy and performance of all GPS receivers. We hope this letter answers your questions about Y2K and the GPS week number rollover event. If you have any additional questions or concerns please contact GARMIN's Technical Support department, at 1-800-800-1020. Best regards, GARMIN International, Inc. --simple boundary-- From kb2ear@orn.com Fri Mar 06 12:51:57 1998 Received: from linux.kb2ear.overleaf.com (root@cc1005145-a.ebnsk1.nj.home.com [24.3.216.45]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id MAA04817 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:51:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from pc.kb2ear.overleaf.com([192.168.1.2]) (739 bytes) by linux.kb2ear.overleaf.com via smtpd with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:51:54 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #1 built 1997-Dec-21) Message-ID: <000f01bd4930$ee86a020$0201a8c0@pc.kb2ear.overleaf.com> From: "Scott Weis" To: Subject: VE3NP Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:51:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Why is VE3NP sending a message to GATE via HF, No station should ever receive this message unless they tell their software that the callsign is GATE correct? Thanks, Scott From wbliss@coastside.net Fri Mar 06 13:04:11 1998 Received: from poseidon.coastside.net (www.coastside.net [207.213.212.5]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id NAA05535; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:04:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp7.coastside.net [207.213.213.7]) by poseidon.coastside.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA08300; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:02:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:02:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803061902.LAA08300@poseidon.coastside.net> X-Sender: wbliss@mail.coastside.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: aprs-freq@tapr.org From: "William B. Bliss" Subject: APRS-FREQ, California SFBay Area Cc: aprs@lists.monterey.edu, nwaprssig@localaccess.com, aprssig@tapr.org All APRS'ers.. Digi Freq Change San Francisco Bay Area: Digi Call Sign with SSID: WA6AFT-3 Current Frequency: 144.390 State: California Municipality: Pacifica, San Mateo County Lat/Long in d/m: 3733.46N/12228.51W HASL 1898Ft. Contact Call Sign: WA6AFT e-mail Address: wa6aft@juno.com QSY 144.39. YES now on 144.39 as of 061700Z QSY Date: March 6, 1998 @ 1700GMT Bill/WB6LPG for R. Spindler/WA6AFT @ JUNO.COM NNNN From jono@webspun.com Fri Mar 06 14:04:06 1998 Received: from axon.axnet.com (axon.axnet.com [207.252.104.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id OAA08924 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:04:03 -0600 (CST) X-ROUTED: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:06:48 -0600 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Jono Received: from [207.252.105.25] [207.252.105.25] by axon.axnet.com with smtp id AOAGCEEP ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:06:36 -0600 Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21760] VE3NP Date: Fri, 6 Mar 98 14:07:18 -0600 x-sender: jono@popmail.webspun.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Jon Ogden To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: >Why is VE3NP sending a message to GATE via HF, No station should ever >receive this message unless they tell their software that the callsign is >GATE correct? > What do you mean "sending a message to GATE via HF"? Is GATE in his path?? Or is the message directed to a callsign of GATE? There is nothing wrong with having GATE in one's path on HF. That is how a gateway works. If he is physically sending a message to someone called "GATE" I think he will have a long, long wait for a reply. And yes, he should be told to stop. I guess I don't understand your question completely. 73, Jon KE9NA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Ogden jono@webspun.com www.qsl.net/ke9na "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." From kb2ear@orn.com Fri Mar 06 14:13:43 1998 Received: from linux.kb2ear.overleaf.com (root@cc1005145-a.ebnsk1.nj.home.com [24.3.216.45]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id OAA09356 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:13:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from pc.kb2ear.overleaf.com([192.168.1.2]) (1817 bytes) by linux.kb2ear.overleaf.com via smtpd with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:13:39 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #1 built 1997-Dec-21) Message-ID: <001a01bd493c$5a2b6260$0201a8c0@pc.kb2ear.overleaf.com> From: "Scott Weis" To: "Jon Ogden" , Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21760] VE3NP Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:13:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 He is sending to VE3NP>APRS,NONE:GATE :Message{1 etc... This is a message too a station called gate not via gate.. Sorry for the mixup. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Jon Ogden To: kb2ear@orn.com ; aprssig@tapr.org Date: Friday, March 06, 1998 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21760] VE3NP >>Why is VE3NP sending a message to GATE via HF, No station should ever >>receive this message unless they tell their software that the callsign is >>GATE correct? >> >What do you mean "sending a message to GATE via HF"? Is GATE in his >path?? Or is the message directed to a callsign of GATE? There is >nothing wrong with having GATE in one's path on HF. That is how a >gateway works. > >If he is physically sending a message to someone called "GATE" I think he >will have a long, long wait for a reply. And yes, he should be told to >stop. > >I guess I don't understand your question completely. > >73, > >Jon >KE9NA > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Jon Ogden > >jono@webspun.com > >www.qsl.net/ke9na > > >"A life lived in fear is a life half lived." > > > > From kb2ear@orn.com Fri Mar 06 14:17:41 1998 Received: from linux.kb2ear.overleaf.com (root@cc1005145-a.ebnsk1.nj.home.com [24.3.216.45]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id OAA09426 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:17:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from pc.kb2ear.overleaf.com([192.168.1.2]) (920 bytes) by linux.kb2ear.overleaf.com via smtpd with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:17:37 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #1 built 1997-Dec-21) Message-ID: <001c01bd493c$e8414920$0201a8c0@pc.kb2ear.overleaf.com> From: "Scott Weis" To: Subject: HF 10.151 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:17:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In my last message I saw a station sending to a digi of NONE. This is not to bad but someone on HF has their MYA set to NONE and is being repeated... Also I see someone has their MYA set to gate and is repeating stuff back on their HF ports. There are also a few RELAY digis on HF as well. I think we need to talk to our HF ops a bit.. 73, Scott From gwells@nbn.net Fri Mar 06 14:25:52 1998 Received: from mail.nbn.net (nbn.net [207.51.86.15]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id OAA10059 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:25:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from pinky-s-inc. (dial2-21.nbn.net [208.139.67.63]) by mail.nbn.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA21890 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:28:36 -0500 Message-Id: X-Sender: gwells@nbn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 15:23:22 -0500 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: Gary Wells Subject: javAPRS and MS Internet Explorer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have noticed that when I use MS Internet Explorer 4.0 to view a javAPRS map, the area on the bar at the bottom left of the window is not long enough to display all the necessary information. When I click on weather station, most of the data is not showing. Intrernet Explorer also doesn't seem to have a java console like Netscape does to display the information. Does anybody know if there is a way to display all the info with Internet Explorer? Thanks, Gary N3HCP From jleonard@tbcnet.com Fri Mar 06 14:33:23 1998 Received: from tbc1.tbcnet.com (root@tbc1.tbcnet.com [207.112.224.11]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id OAA10647 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:33:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from s-jleo (tc1-dekalb-96.tbcnet.com [207.112.225.96]) by tbc1.tbcnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA31810 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:49:58 -0600 Message-Id: <199803062049.OAA31810@tbc1.tbcnet.com> From: "John B. Leonard, Jr." To: "aprssig" Subject: CJN Back on the air kinda Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:31:43 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's amazing what a connected antenna will do for the transmit ability of a radio. DUH! ------------------------------------------------------ J Barry Leonard/W9JBL DeKalb IL E-MAIL mailto:jleonard@tbcnet.com WWW Home Page http://tbcnet.com/~jleonard/home.html American Red Cross Disaster Services - Rockford IL Chapter From jleonard@tbcnet.com Fri Mar 06 14:33:27 1998 Received: from tbc1.tbcnet.com (root@tbc1.tbcnet.com [207.112.224.11]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id OAA10680 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:33:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from s-jleo (tc1-dekalb-96.tbcnet.com [207.112.225.96]) by tbc1.tbcnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA31814 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:50:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199803062050.OAA31814@tbc1.tbcnet.com> From: "John B. Leonard, Jr." To: "aprssig" Subject: Alinco DR1200T Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:34:11 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is any one else having a problem getting an Alinco DR1200T to transmit on 144.39? It receives there fine. Is it blocked or is the radio broke? ------------------------------------------------------ J Barry Leonard/W9JBL DeKalb IL E-MAIL mailto:jleonard@tbcnet.com WWW Home Page http://tbcnet.com/~jleonard/home.html American Red Cross Disaster Services - Rockford IL Chapter From wb4qoj@roava.net Fri Mar 06 14:42:51 1998 Received: from roava.net ([209.54.158.4]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id OAA11291 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:42:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from lee (usr29.roava.net [209.54.158.129]) by roava.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA11141; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:00:20 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980306154743.0087d4d0@mail.roava.net> X-Sender: wb4qoj@mail.roava.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 15:47:43 -0500 To: jono@webspun.com, aprssig@tapr.org From: Lee McDaniel Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21753] Re: Mission IMPOSSIBLE; Accomplished! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 14.105 is "NETWORK 105" AND IT IS A LONG TIME NETWORK THAT HAS MANY STATIONS ON IT ALREADY, I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THAT NET FOR YEARS AND "WOULD NOT" SUPPORT APRS ON THE SAME FREQ.... FYI LEE WB4QOJ At 08:55 3/6/98 -0600, Jon Ogden wrote: >>At 01:00 AM 3/6/98 -0600, Matthew Stennett wrote: >> >>>I am on 10.151 or I suggest 20M; 14.105, or whatever it is. >> >> This is just a guess, but won't 30 meters get from Japan to, say Hawaii, >>or even California, where someone could put the info on TCP/IP? I've been >>looking for quite a while, and I've never seen Matt on my screen. >> >> Is anyone in North America seeing him? >> >I am not seeing him either. 30 Meters should have propagation fairly >similar to 20 meters, except that it will stay open later. Down in the >lower portion of the band you can hear a good amount of CW DX, so it >isn't just a "local" HF band. > >Knowing how crowded Japan is (been there 4 or 5 times) and how one does >really not have space for large dipoles, etc. I wonder what kind of >antenna Matt is using. > >I think we will eventually see him. But for that matter, I am not seeing >any KH6 stations either. > >73, > >Jon >KE9NA > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Jon Ogden > >jono@webspun.com > >www.qsl.net/ke9na > > >"A life lived in fear is a life half lived." > > > > From pbennett@guate.net Fri Mar 06 15:00:02 1998 Received: from mail2.guate.net (mail2.guate.net [200.12.63.4]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id OAA12374 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:59:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from Peter.guate.net (pm2b-s20.guate.net [200.12.62.151]) by mail2.guate.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA18938 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:59:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <35006366.FD8A7689@guate.net> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 14:58:15 -0600 From: Peter Bennett Organization: TECNOCOM X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: TNC Mic-E Output X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone, I would like your help with the following: I am interested in parsing the TNC output from Mic-E's (only Mic-E's not Pico, nor any NMEA string) to store the individual fields (lat, lon, speed, course) in a database. Any ideas? Regards Peter Bennett From jono@webspun.com Fri Mar 06 15:08:20 1998 Received: from axon.axnet.com (axon.axnet.com [207.252.104.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id PAA13191 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:08:08 -0600 (CST) X-ROUTED: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:10:58 -0600 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Jono Received: from [207.252.105.25] [207.252.105.25] by axon.axnet.com with smtp id APAKCAEK ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:10:36 -0600 Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21764] HF 10.151 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 98 15:11:14 -0600 x-sender: jono@popmail.webspun.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Jon Ogden To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: >In my last message I saw a station sending to a digi of NONE. This is not to >bad but someone on HF has their MYA set to NONE and is being repeated... >Also I see someone has their MYA set to gate and is repeating stuff back on >their HF ports. There are also a few RELAY digis on HF as well. I think we >need to talk to our HF ops a bit.. Maybe I'm the culprit here for the NONE part. I have MYALIAS on my KAM+ set to NONE/RELAY. I want to have RELAY as myalias on VHF, but have myalias turned off on HF. Did I do it wrong??? What is the proper way to have myalias set? Should it be ECHO/RELAY? What do I use to turn MYALIAS off on HF and on on VHF? Thanks, Jon KE9NA -> Another secret member of the vast Right Wing Conspiracy <- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Ogden jono@webspun.com www.qsl.net/ke9na "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." From n2lbt@zone5.com Fri Mar 06 15:27:56 1998 Received: from mail.nycap.rr.com (mail-atm.nycap.rr.com [24.92.32.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id PAA14493 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:27:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from [204.210.190.30] (dt04q6n1e.nycap.rr.com [204.210.190.30]) by mail.nycap.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA27063 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:27:09 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: n2lbt%zone5.com@pop3.zone5.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980306154743.0087d4d0@mail.roava.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:29:45 -0500 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: Dennis Hudson Subject: Re: Mission IMPOSSIBLE; Accomplished! >14.105 is "NETWORK 105" AND IT IS A LONG TIME NETWORK THAT HAS MANY STATIONS >ON IT ALREADY, I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THAT NET FOR YEARS AND "WOULD NOT" > SUPPORT APRS ON THE SAME FREQ.... > >FYI LEE WB4QOJ I think he was looking for the appropriate frequency, certainly not to encroach on your net. Maybe someone can constructively suggest a frequency for 20m. nice capslock Dennis, N2LBT From jeffb@espi.com Fri Mar 06 15:33:23 1998 Received: from mork.stans.com (mork.stans.com [209.42.7.15]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id PAA14805 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:33:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from dial57.stans.com (dial57.stans.com [209.42.7.157]) by mork.stans.com (NTMail 3.03.0013/1.ab4a) with ESMTP id la166099 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:33:03 -0600 Message-ID: <35006B3C.3B29@espi.com> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 15:31:40 -0600 From: Jeff Brenton Reply-To: jeffb@espi.com Organization: Engineered Software Products, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jleonard@tbcnet.com CC: aprssig Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21767] Alinco DR1200T References: <199803062050.OAA31814@tbc1.tbcnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You might check the manual on the radio, 'cuz it seems some manufacturers (Tandy, for instance) take the ARRL band plan seriously, and lock out FM transmit below 144.600... I ran into this with the Radio Shack HTX-212 (fix is on page 17 of the manual) when I was setting up the KD9PK digipeater, which will be our temporary 144.39 digi here in McHenry County, to tide us over until KA9VNV-3 is moved next Friday. John B. Leonard, Jr. wrote: > Is any one else having a problem getting an Alinco DR1200T to transmit > on 144.39? It receives there fine. > > Is it blocked or is the radio broke? -- Jeff Brenton, Ham radio call KA9VNV http://www.espi.com Questionable web page: http://www.dididahdahdidit.com Covert supporter of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (tm) From bruninga@nadn.navy.mil Fri Mar 06 15:34:06 1998 Received: from arctic.nadn.navy.mil (arctic.nadn.navy.mil [131.121.8.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id PAA14997 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:34:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (bruninga@localhost) by arctic.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA16451; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:33:18 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.nadn.navy.mil: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:33:18 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: Jon Ogden cc: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21770] Re: HF 10.151 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Jon Ogden wrote: > >In my last message I saw a station sending to a digi of NONE.... > > Maybe I'm the culprit here for the NONE part. I have MYALIAS on my KAM+ > set to NONE/RELAY. I want to have RELAY as myalias on VHF... APRSdos REPLY/COMMENT: Since APRS configures the TNC with "UNPROTO APRS VIA ______" You are stuck with having to put SOMETHING there in order to be able to complete the full command for dual port TNC's. So he is correct in using NONE or anyother NON usable digi call. If someone is somehow set his alias to NONE, then mybe try XXXX... Reply mail addr: wb4apr@amsat.org US mail address: 115 old Farm Ct, Glen Burnie, MD 21060 See DAYTON97 HISTORY: http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/dayton.html See Maryland APRS LIVE: http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/aprs.html See GPS on ANY radio: http://www.tapr.org/tapr/html/mic-e.html From bruninga@nadn.navy.mil Fri Mar 06 15:53:12 1998 Received: from arctic.nadn.navy.mil (arctic.nadn.navy.mil [131.121.8.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id PAA16506 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:53:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (bruninga@localhost) by arctic.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA20731; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:52:08 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.nadn.navy.mil: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:52:07 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: Byron Smith cc: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21651] 145.79 Crutches In-Reply-To: <199803050247.SAA11548@ns.theworks.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Byron Smith wrote about Bob's suggestion of digipeating 145.79 trackers over to 144.39 until they have time to buy new XTALS: > YOu need a two port stealth digi - will swap packets from freq to freq. REPLY: I was talking about a one way link from trackers on 79 over to 39. THis way 99% of APRS moves to .39 but does not obsolete some XTAL trackers. If you opened the reverse path of 39 => 79, then this is counter to the original objective of clearing up 145.79 and you have not eliminated any packets from 79... :-) From jono@webspun.com Fri Mar 06 15:59:42 1998 Received: from axon.axnet.com (axon.axnet.com [207.252.104.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id PAA16909 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:59:39 -0600 (CST) X-ROUTED: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:02:24 -0600 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Jono Received: from [207.252.105.25] [207.252.105.25] by axon.axnet.com with smtp id BAACAMAC ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:02:12 -0600 Subject: HF TNC Parameters Date: Fri, 6 Mar 98 16:02:53 -0600 x-sender: jono@popmail.webspun.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Jon Ogden To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: Thanks to all for helping me out with the HF parameters. I didn't expect anyone to be using "NONE" in their path, so I thought I would be ok. Anyhow, I will try using DIGI OFF/ON to turn off digipeating on HF and on on VHF. This brings me to another point. What is the function of an ECHO station? What is the difference between ECHO and RELAY other than the obvious of "don't use RELAY on HF"? Since ECHO goes into the MYALIAS slot, won't it perform the same function as if RELAY was there? Or does APRS handle it differently when it sees a packet that has been retransmitted by "ECHO"?? I am very curious about this...... 73, Jon KE9NA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Ogden jono@webspun.com www.qsl.net/ke9na "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." From trandall@mhv.net Fri Mar 06 16:05:01 1998 Received: from mhv.net (root@spice.mhv.net [199.0.0.21]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id QAA17562 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:04:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from Randall (port17.mhv.net [206.229.40.17]) by mhv.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA07836 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:04:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:04:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199803062204.RAA07836@mhv.net> X-Sender: trandall@pop.mhv.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: aprssig@tapr.org From: Thomas Randall Subject: Re: Mir PMS GPS Format >I used my Hostmaster II on 145.985 and did see the info from Mir on one >of the passes - I checked my STSPLUS program ahead of time so I'd be >ready... John, Well that eases my mind, I thought I saw Mir data on APRS about a week or so ago but thought it came over while I was monitoring a pass using the APRSdos built in terminal program. Guess they were testing it then. Mir's PMS is somewhat like a regular PBBS but it's just for mail to and from the crew. Regualr packet looks like any other packet down here. I'm going to leave APRS running that day while at work, wish they did this on the weekend but I guess that would defeat the school demos. 73, Tom Tom Randall Amateur Radio - KB2SMS trandall@mhv.net Mt. Beacon Amateur Radio Club / ARRL / 10-10 APRS on 145.790 - Dutchess county,N.Y. Member: AAVSO Solar Division My Astronomy/Ham radio site: http://www1.mhv.net/~trandall/welcome.html Opinions herein are mine and may not be that of MHV.NET! From srbible@gate.net Fri Mar 06 16:07:35 1998 Received: from osage.gate.net (root@osage.gate.net [198.206.134.25]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id QAA17872 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:07:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from avatar.gate.net (kngga2-20.gate.net [207.36.2.20]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA104652 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:07:24 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980306170723.0080ec40@pop.gate.net> X-Sender: srbible@pop.gate.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 17:07:23 -0500 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: "Steven R. Bible" Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21769] TNC Mic-E Output In-Reply-To: <35006366.FD8A7689@guate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:01 PM 3/6/98 -0600, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I would like your help with the following: >I am interested in parsing the TNC output from Mic-E's (only Mic-E's not >Pico, nor any NMEA string) to store the individual fields (lat, lon, >speed, course) in a database. >Any ideas? Peter, take a look at http://www.tapr.org/tapr/html/mic-e-proto.html - Steve, N7HPR (n7hpr@tapr.org) From garnold@naples.net Fri Mar 06 16:18:45 1998 Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id QAA18813 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:18:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from garnold2 ([12.70.71.9]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA5946; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:18:12 +0000 Message-ID: <3500762A.2487@naples.net> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 17:18:18 -0500 From: Gary Arnold Reply-To: garnold@naples.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bruninga@nadn.navy.mil CC: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21773] Re: HF 10.151 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob Bruninga wrote: > You are stuck with having to put SOMETHING there in order to be able > to complete the full command for dual port TNC's. So he is correct in > using NONE or anyother NON usable digi call. If someone is somehow set > his alias to NONE, then mybe try XXXX... Bob: In my OLD KAM (not plus) there is a command called ALIAS, which can be set for each port. Using ALIAS OFF/ON disables digipeating on HF, and allows it on VHF...at least that's what my manual says. Not sure if this command is still valid in a KAM plus. 73, Gary -- Gary Arnold, CEM Collier County Emergency Management E-mail: garnold@naples.net gary.arnold@worldnet.att.net Packet: wb2wpa@wb2wpa.#nap.fl.usa.noam EM home page: "http://www.collierem.org/" My home page: "http://www.collierem.org/garnold.htm" ------------- "Windows 95: n., 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor system, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition." From n3xku@juno.com Fri Mar 06 16:49:19 1998 Received: from m13.boston.juno.com (m13.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.193]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id QAA21140 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:49:17 -0600 (CST) Received: (from n3xku@juno.com) by m13.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id RiL25060; Fri, 06 Mar 1998 17:46:15 EST To: aprssig@tapr.org Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:41:21 -0500 Subject: Temporary RF Crutch Message-ID: <19980306.174533.10014.5.N3XKU@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,6,14-21,23,25-26 From: n3xku@juno.com (Rich E Mazzeo) Just thought of something, to use temporarily while we are all QSYing. All it takes is 2 peolple who are relatively near each other with Dual band radios that cross band repeat. Just pick a "backbone" to use between the two. Maybe a couple clicks on either side of the 440 backbone frequency in your area. Just have one radio Set to 145.790 <> 441.050 and the other set to 144.390 <> 441.050. Hopefully at least 2 people in any given area could do this on the fly without rewiring anything. You could still monitor both freqs. with the TNC, and you would only need minimal power on the backbone freq since the other cross banding station would be very close to you. Collisions would not be a problem with this method either. (As long as there is no delay when keying up. I will try to experiment with this and let everyone know how it works. If anyone tries this before I do let us know how it worked for you... 73 de Rich -- Rich Mazzeo, N3XKU, Fairless Hills, PA Bucks County SkyWarn and A.R.E.S. Packet Address: K3HD BBS QRT. new: N3XKU @ N3XEI.#SEPA.PA TNC is on 145.790, Automatic Position Reporting System (Mailbox: -2) FM Voice: 147.300+ / 147.150+ / 146.970- / 444.200+ / and 146.535 / 446.025 smplx ICBM/APRS: =4010.25N/07450.69W- (Grid: FN20ne) Currently Running: APRS DOS 811 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From jono@webspun.com Fri Mar 06 16:55:28 1998 Received: from axon.axnet.com (axon.axnet.com [207.252.104.2]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id QAA21424 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:55:22 -0600 (CST) X-ROUTED: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:58:12 -0600 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Jono Received: from [207.252.105.25] [207.252.105.25] by axon.axnet.com with smtp id BADJDFDE ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:57:56 -0600 Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21776] Re: Mir PMS GPS Format Date: Fri, 6 Mar 98 16:58:35 -0600 x-sender: jono@popmail.webspun.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Jon Ogden To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: > Well that eases my mind, I thought I saw Mir data on APRS about a week or >so ago but thought it came over while I was monitoring a pass using the >APRSdos built in terminal program. Guess they were testing it then. A weird thing happened to me a while back. I got an e-mail from someone who stated they had seen my packets being transmitted by MIR. I have not tried to reach MIR for months and was unaware that they may have been monitoring 145.79. I haven't moved off 145.79 for a long time except to get mail at my local BBS. Have they monitored it before? I responded back to this person that I didn't know what they were talking about. Has MIR been on APRS in the past?? 73, Jon KE9NA -> Covert member of the VAST Right Wing Conspiracy <- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Ogden jono@webspun.com www.qsl.net/ke9na "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." From bdover@greeceny.com Fri Mar 06 17:02:39 1998 Received: from greeceny.com (ppp-111.monroe.edu [199.190.222.111]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id RAA21834 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:02:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from greeceny.com (roc-ny4-24.ix.netcom.com [199.183.209.152]) by greeceny.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA23571; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:02:27 -0500 Message-ID: <3500C6C1.8F3A128F@greeceny.com> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 23:02:09 -0500 From: "B. Dover" Reply-To: bdover@greeceny.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kf4dbx@ipass.net CC: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21746] more wide n-n... References: <199803061256.HAA06237@earth.ipass.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Dave, #-n digipeating will only propogate through digipeaters that are setup (explicitly) to handle them. If yours is the only #-n digipeater, it won't go any further, even if other repeaters are in range. Do what you can to convince the other digi operators to add #-n funcitonality to their machines (they don't have to remove the straight RELAY, WIDE, TRACE functions in order to invoke #-n). Of course, if they aren't Kantronics TNC's they won't be able to join you anyway. Regards, Ev Tupis, K2IV APRS & FBB Mailbox wrote: > Well, I set our digi up for widen-n, neat idea. Then, got most of the locals > to set their digipaths to VIA KQ4MS-3,WIDE3-3 or just VIA WIDE3-3. Problem > is, it seems that the others digi's aren't set up to deal with widen-n, and > no one gets digi'd. I tried several variations this am in the band opening, > but nothing seemed to work as good as VIA KQ4MS-3,WIDE,WIDE. Am I doing > something wrong?? > > Thanks, > Dave WB4IUY From bhildebrand@worldnet.att.net Fri Mar 06 17:51:31 1998 Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id RAA24928 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:51:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from dell ([12.64.7.139]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA20645; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:50:52 +0000 Message-ID: <002401bd495a$b1eb15e0$8b07400c@dell> From: "B. Hildebrand" To: , Subject: APRS+SA v0.8.21 now available for download. Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:50:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 March 6, 1998 APRS+SA v0.8.21 Release Notes Update Instructions: If you are using v0.8.19 or v0.8.20, copy the contents of the aprsa4iupdate.zip file to your APRS+SA directory. Restart the current version you are using, then close the program. Then drag and drop GPS0821.W3 on to APRSa4i.exe to install the latest version. New: 1) The "Lists" on the List page of Setup and the Tracking list now have Popup menus activated by right clicking on the list. You can save the list to a text file, sort the list, delete items from the list and load a text file. The default name of the files are TrackList.txt, KeepRecent.txt, Ignore.txt, and Groups.txt for the appropriate list. I've included sample files for KeepRecent.txt and Groups.txt. The KeepRecent.txt file contains many callsigns (>900) of stations I have heard that have had more than one Posit for them. Be sure to delete and callsigns you may be interested in tracking from this list. Using this list however, allows me to avoid workspace full (WS FULL) situations. 2) APRS+SA now preserves the Setup with installation of a new version. A patch file is included that will also copying of the setup from v0.8.20 to v0.8.21. To use this, copy the file P0820.Migrate to the APRS+SA directory and restart v0.8.20. Close the program and start v0.8.21. The old configuration should be preserved. 3) The Paths window now allows for saving and reloading its data. For Example: you could have different file for different parts of the country if you travel, or, for different TNCs, one for a single port TNC and another for a dual port. 4) APRS+SA now supports the Grid-In-TO format of packets. To enable transmission of this mode, check the appropriate box on the Program page of the Setup window. This mode replaces the TO field of the Unproto packet with the Grid Square of our current location with the Icon placed in the Posit text. 4) IGate code has been updated. Brent Hildebrand, KH2Z APRS+SA v0.8.20 http://k8sn.org/aprsa4 Waypoint+ v1.7.04 http://k8sn.org/waypoint From bruninga@nadn.navy.mil Fri Mar 06 17:53:01 1998 Received: from arctic.nadn.navy.mil (arctic.nadn.navy.mil [131.121.8.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id RAA24965; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:52:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (bruninga@localhost) by arctic.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA03870; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:52:27 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.nadn.navy.mil: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:52:26 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic Reply-To: Bob Bruninga To: aprssig@tapr.org, amsat-bb@amsat.org cc: sarex@amsat.org, aprsnews@tapr.org Subject: 10 March APRS/MIR test Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apologies for the dual post, but this is very short fuze: As an experiment to provide improved visibility during school tracking of MIR, the MIREX team has authorized a nationwide APRS experiment on two orbits only between 1455z to 1651z on 10 March, 1998. Anyone with a 2 meter FM radio on 145.985 and a packet TNC may participate. To allow the maximum number of successful stations the objective is for every station to successfully digipeat only ONE brief position packet per pass. Stations running APRS will see all such station Icons on their maps instantly. Stations without APRS can have students plot the positions on a paper map or wall plot. Stations with internet access can see EVERY packet live at the URL: http://www.aprs.net/mirex.html. (See javAPRS section below) FORMATS: Although there are many APRS position formats, the shorter the packet, the greater the chance of success. DO NOT connect to MIR. Transmit packets as BEACONS or UI frames only without acknowledgement. If you see your own packet digipeated by MIR, then you were successful and should cease transmission during that pass. In addition to your posit and Symbol character, you may want to include a brief comment. Maybe your name or school. Here are three format examples using the Icon symbol "-" and the comment field to send the name Bob: UNPROTO GGGGGG VIA R0MIR BTEXT ]-[Bob {Grid-in-to format} UNPROTO APRS VIA R0MIR BTEXT !LATITUDE/LONGITUDE-Bobs House {Lat/Long format} UNPROTO APRS VIA R0MIR BTEXT @DDHHMMzLATITUDE/LONGITUDE>CSE/SPD/Bob {Mobile format} Where GGGGGG is your 6 character Gridsquare. Make up the last two letters if you dont know them. The LAT/LONG format is in degrees and decimal minutes to Hundredths exactly as follows: DDMM.HHN/DDDMM.HHW (shown for North and West) The Course and Speed (CSE and SPD) are exactly 3 bytes each with CSE in degrees and SPD is in knots. "-" represents your ICON symbol character from the following list: - House QTH + Red Cross v VAN ^ Aircraft (large) ; Campground < Motorcycle = RAILROAD Train ` Dish Antenna > CAR H HOTEL K School s Ship (boat) M MacAPRS N NTS Station O BALLOON R RECREATIONAL VEHICLE U BUS V ATV X HELO Y YACHT (sailboat) Z WinAPRS b BIKE e HORSE (equestrian) h HOSPITAL i IOTA (island) j JEEP k Pickup Truck o EOC r ANTENNA tower u TRUCK (18 wheels) GENERAL SETUP: Everyone should make sure their TXDelay is a minimum for their rig. The default of 33 in most TNCs adds almost 25% of overhead to every packet. Many rigs will work with less. SETUP WITHOUT APRS: Set the UNPROTO and BTEXT as shown above for your chosen format. Set BEACON EVERY 0 to prevent your station from transmitting until MIR is in view. Once MIR comes in view, activate your BText by setting BEACON EVERY 6. This will cause your station to transmit once a minute (6 * 10 secs) for the duration of the pass. (If you are using KANTRONICS TNC, then your minmum setting is BEACON EVERY 1 for once a minute. As SOON as you see your packet digipeated you can be sure that everyone else saw you also, and immediately set BEACON EVERY back to 0 to stop transmitting. SETUP WITH APRSdos: APRSdos will plot all packets automatically. Move the cursor to your location and hit INPUT-MY-POS command to enter your posit and brief position comment. When MIR comes in view, hit the XMIT-POS key once every minute to force a position report packet. Set CONTROLS-FILTERS-FADE to 0 so that GRID packets will not fade to dark gray. Watch packets raw on the V-SCREEN, or on the map by hitting the SPACE bar. SETUP WITH Mac/WIN APRS: Mac/Win will plot all packets automatically. To shorten your transmissions, enter a minimum comment field and turn off your status beacon. SETUP FOR APRSa4: APRSa4 will plot all LAT/LONG packets and the very latest version v0.8.21 will also plot the grid-in-to format. To minimize packet length, minimize the Posit Text on the Main tab of Setup. Force a Posit packet once a minute with Ctrl-P. javAPRS: If you have a java capable browser you can watch the event live or get more info by pointing to http://www.aprs.net/mirex.html. If you cannot be near a radio and you have Mac/Win/APRSa4 or APRSnet.exe then you can also telnet (TCPIP) to www.aprs.net port 23 and you will also see all packets live. Another alternate site is the main APRS page at http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/aprs.html and look for the LIVE pages. TESTING: TO test prior to the event, DO NOT DIGIPEAT VIA MIR! Choose a local digipeater and substitute its callsign instead of R0MIR. Have a friend verify that he sees your position on his map. Here are the exact letter-for-letter example packets above for the position of 38 deg 59.11 Mins North 76 deg 29.12 Mins West WB4APR>FM18SX,R0MIR*:]-[Bob WB4APR>APRS,R0MIR*:!3859.11N/07629.11W-Bobs House WB4APR>APRS,R0MIR*:@101459z3859.11N/07629.11W>123/055/Bob's car Notice that the Icon Symbol must be surrounded with backward Brackets in the grid-in-to format to tell APRS to look for the posit in the TO field, and I changed the symbol to a ">" or CAR in the moving report. MOBILES: Remember that APRS mobiles have an equal chance as everyone else since mobiles have short cable runs with low loss. But they also have nulls overhead. If you will try to work MIR mobile, place your magmount horizontal for maximum signal straight up or wherever MIR is relative to you. UNATTENDED: If you cannot man your station, your APRS will still capture everything it hears. Be sure APRSdos CONTROLS-LOG is toggled ON. Your station may still transmit, but at only 1 packet every 20 to 30 minutes it will not cause significant QRM. Be sure to remove all outgoing messages and bulletins to minimize packets to only your POSIT. Be sure to QSY back off of 145.985 after the test. DOWNLOADS: Get the latest APRS programs from TAPR as follows: APRSdos: ftp://ftp.tapr.org/tapr/SIG/aprssig/files/dosstuff/APRSdos WinAPRS: ftp://ftp.tapr.org/tapr/SIG/aprssig/files/winstuff/WinAPRS APRSa4: ftp://ftp.tapr.org/tapr/SIG/aprssig/files/winstuff/APRSa4 MacAPRS: ftp://aprs.rutgers.edu/pub/hamradio/APRS/ de Bob, WB4APR From kd4rdb@usa.net Fri Mar 06 17:54:55 1998 Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net (dns01.ops.usa.net [204.68.24.137]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id RAA25069 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:54:53 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 27701 invoked by alias); 6 Mar 1998 23:54:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 27626 invoked from network); 6 Mar 1998 23:54:43 -0000 Received: from bg4-177.eagnet.com (HELO kd4rdb.eagnet) (199.76.206.177) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 6 Mar 1998 23:54:43 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980306185346.006e868c@mail.eagnet.com> X-Sender: kd4rdb@mail.eagnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 18:54:45 -0500 To: n3xku@juno.com, aprssig@tapr.org From: Wes Johnston Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21779] Temporary RF Crutch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I don't mean to be a pessimist, but this probably won't work.... you have to change the TXdelay on each radio that will get cross banded..... instead of 300ms delay for the trackers synthesized radio to come up.... you must now add 300 more milliseconds for the first dual band radio, and another 300 ms for the 2nd dual bander... that's nearly 1 full second just to activate... good idea and it will work if you get everyone to increase their TXD's. respectfully, Wes Rich E Mazzeo wrote: > > Just thought of something, to use temporarily while we are all >QSYing. All it takes is 2 peolple who are relatively near each other >with Dual band radios that cross band repeat. Just pick a "backbone" to >use between the two. Maybe a couple clicks on either side of the 440 >backbone frequency in your area. Just have one radio Set to 145.790 <> >441.050 and the other set to >144.390 <> 441.050. Hopefully at least 2 people in any given area could >do this on the fly without rewiring anything. You could still monitor >both freqs. with the TNC, and you would only need minimal power on the >backbone freq since the other cross banding station would be very close >to you. Collisions would not be a problem with this method either. (As >long as there is no delay when keying up. I will try to experiment with >this and let everyone know how it works. If anyone tries this before I >do let us know how it worked for you... > >73 de Rich Wes Email: mailto:kd4rdb@usa.net EU ax25: mailto:kd4rdb@on1kul-10.ampr.org WEB: http://www.qsl.net/kd4rdb http://www.qsl.net/kd4rdb/aprs.htm ICQ: 273949 Lat/Long: 3209.36N/08109.88W Covert member of the Secret Right Wing Conspiracy. From squirmy@mail.kiva.net Fri Mar 06 18:18:33 1998 Received: from biff.kiva.net (biff.kiva.net [206.97.64.31]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with SMTP id SAA26632 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:18:31 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 11099 invoked from network); 7 Mar 1998 00:18:30 -0000 Received: from com1-9.newc.kiva.net (HELO squirmy.kiva.net) (206.97.76.11) by biff.kiva.net with SMTP; 7 Mar 1998 00:18:30 -0000 Message-ID: <350092D2.268E@mail.kiva.net> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 19:20:34 -0500 From: JAMES SMITH Reply-To: squirmy@mail.kiva.net Organization: Tri-State Aprs Working Group/ Indiana Coordinator X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jleonard@tbcnet.com CC: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re:Alinco DR1200T Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi John, No, I've not had any problems from my Alinco transmitting on 144.39, but I have expanded trans/receive bye cutting the yellow wire behind the channel selector....See if this works.. 73, James Smith -N9UHX- Tri-state Aprs Working Group TAWG Website:http://members.aol.com/nh7c/tawg.html N9UHX Website:members.tripod.com/~n9uhx mailto:squirmy@kiva.net From mconner@null.net Fri Mar 06 18:25:10 1998 Received: from ren.globecomm.net (ren.globecomm.net [207.51.48.3]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id SAA26841 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:25:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from conner586.neonramp.com (pm1s44.neonramp.com [204.248.23.94]) by ren.globecomm.net (8.8.8/8.8.0) with SMTP id TAA02367 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 19:25:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980306182453.00824170@mail.neonramp.com> X-Sender: mconner@mail.neonramp.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 18:24:53 -0600 To: aprssig@tapr.org From: "Mark D. Conner" Subject: Price/store for COM port boards? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Can someone post prices and where to get the STB and SIIG boards? I did a web search for multi-port COM boards in general and only came across some really high-dollar ones ($200+). 73 de Mark N9XTN --------------------------------------------------------------- Mark D. Conner Internet: mconner@null.net Packet: N9XTN@WA0ZQG.IA.USA.NA Homepage: http://www.neonramp.com/~mconner "Arrogance and stupidity, all in one package.....how efficient of you!" - Ambassador Londo Molari, Babylon 5 From bruninga@nadn.navy.mil Fri Mar 06 18:52:57 1998 Received: from arctic.nadn.navy.mil (arctic.nadn.navy.mil [131.121.8.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id SAA07496 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:52:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (bruninga@localhost) by arctic.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA05701 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 19:52:24 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.nadn.navy.mil: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 19:52:24 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: APRS/MIR test BULLETINS Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If someone in your area is NOT posting an announcement about this very unique APRS/MIR test on Tuesday, then PLEASE DO. Make sure that every ham in hamdom gets the word. Most of us will be at work, so numbers will already be small. But we must get the word out. If you want people to read the bulletin then keep it short. SOmething like: BLNA :*** SPECIAL MIR/APRS test 1455z-1651z on 10 Mar on 145.985 MHz!! BLNB :*** Send posits only and keep them short. If low activity, then BLNC :*** 1 msg per station may be OK. Involve schools! This is our big chance, lets try to look good. Be brief! Post this bulletin in your area if no one else is. THanks... bob From trandall@mhv.net Fri Mar 06 20:11:09 1998 Received: from mhv.net (root@spice.mhv.net [199.0.0.21]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id UAA11288 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:11:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from Randall (port80.mhv.net [206.229.41.8]) by mhv.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA15804; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:11:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:11:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199803070211.VAA15804@mhv.net> X-Sender: trandall@pop.mhv.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Jon Ogden , aprssig@tapr.org From: Thomas Randall Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21776] Re: Mir PMS GPS Format At 04:58 PM 3/6/98 -0600, you wrote: > >> Well that eases my mind, I thought I saw Mir data on APRS about a week or >>so ago but thought it came over while I was monitoring a pass using the >>APRSdos built in terminal program. Guess they were testing it then. > >A weird thing happened to me a while back. I got an e-mail from someone >who stated they had seen my packets being transmitted by MIR. I have not >tried to reach MIR for months and was unaware that they may have been >monitoring 145.79. I haven't moved off 145.79 for a long time except to >get mail at my local BBS. Mir has been playing frequency tag the past few years, they used to be duplex using 145.800 for our UPlink and 145.200 for the DOWNlink. They were experimenting duplex until a while ago for the international space station using the 145.800 freq and a 70cm freq. but APRS was apparently interfering so now they're on 145.985 for the time being. This I'm sure will change in the near future once again. When I got into ham radio in '94 they were using 145.550 simplex. >Have they monitored it before? I responded back to this person that I >didn't know what they were talking about. They may have, I'm not sure. I'm not aware of them trying it until I saw a R0MIR beacon a week ago on APRS like my previous post stated. When Steve forwarded the announcement it clicked as to what happened earlier in the week. >Has MIR been on APRS in the past?? The shuttle has, not sure about Mir. >73, > >Jon >KE9NA 73! Tom Tom Randall Amateur Radio - KB2SMS trandall@mhv.net Mt. Beacon Amateur Radio Club / ARRL / 10-10 APRS on 145.790 - Dutchess county,N.Y. Member: AAVSO Solar Division My Astronomy/Ham radio site: http://www1.mhv.net/~trandall/welcome.html Opinions herein are mine and may not be that of MHV.NET! From amirault@tiac.net Fri Mar 06 20:41:06 1998 Received: from shell2.tiac.net (amirault@shell2.tiac.net [199.0.65.4]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id UAA12810 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:41:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (amirault@localhost) by shell2.tiac.net (8.8.5/) with SMTP id VAA21594; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:40:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:40:59 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Amirault To: Bob Bruninga cc: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21757] MIR-APRS-TEST In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Bob Bruninga wrote: > Details to follow regarding the test, but I need a few special UPLINK > sites that are fully AMSAT tracking capable, and fully experienced with > TNC's and APRSdos and can work make it all work the first time.. Not that I can help...but to clarify what you need..... "UPLINK" to where? MIR or the NET? Richard Amirault N1JDU Boston, Massachusetts USA amirault@tiac.net "Go Fly A Kite" From amirault@tiac.net Fri Mar 06 20:48:57 1998 Received: from shell2.tiac.net (amirault@shell2.tiac.net [199.0.65.4]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id UAA13293 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:48:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (amirault@localhost) by shell2.tiac.net (8.8.5/) with SMTP id VAA21756; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:48:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:48:53 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Amirault To: "John B. Leonard, Jr." cc: aprssig@tapr.org Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21767] Alinco DR1200T In-Reply-To: <199803062050.OAA31814@tbc1.tbcnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, John B. Leonard, Jr. wrote: > Is any one else having a problem getting an Alinco DR1200T to transmit on > 144.39? It receives there fine. > > Is it blocked or is the radio broke? Just tried it on mine...seemed to work fine. Richard Amirault N1JDU Boston, Massachusetts USA amirault@tiac.net "Go Fly A Kite" From cap@cruzio.com Fri Mar 06 21:22:39 1998 Received: from mail.cruzio.com (root@mail.cruzio.com [208.226.92.37]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id VAA14851 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:22:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from cap-s-p90 (sa-208-226-93-106.cruzio.com [208.226.93.106]) by mail.cruzio.com with SMTP id TAA01459; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 19:22:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980306192210.00822ad0@mail.cruzio.com> X-Sender: cap@mail.cruzio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 19:22:10 -0800 To: jleonard@tbcnet.com, aprssig@tapr.org From: Cap Pennell Subject: Re: [APRSSIG:21767] Alinco DR1200T In-Reply-To: <199803062050.OAA31814@tbc1.tbcnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:36 PM 3/6/98 -0600, you wrote: >Is any one else having a problem getting an Alinco DR1200T to transmit on >144.39? It receives there fine. Mine works FB as the stand-alone tracker radio in my car, KE6AFE-9 on 144.39! I haven't made any mods to the radio since I bought it at HRO. 73, Cap KE6AFE -- Cap Pennell Santa Cruz, CA 95062-1002 3658.93N/12200.91W [CM86xx] email: cap@cruzio.com home page: http://members.cruzio.com/~cap packet radio: KE6AFE @ki6eh.#wcca.ca.usa.noam From bruninga@nadn.navy.mil Fri Mar 06 21:26:47 1998 Received: from arctic.nadn.navy.mil (arctic.nadn.navy.mil [131.121.8.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id VAA15001 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:26:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (bruninga@localhost) by arctic.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA10433; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:26:14 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.nadn.navy.mil: bruninga owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:26:14 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Bruninga X-Sender: bruninga@arctic To: aprssig@tapr.org cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: APRS/MIR test Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Im sorry if I am repeating myself, but the objective on Tuesday is to show the "educational" opportunity of having APRS position packets light up student interest. The success of this experiment may lead to future similar opportunities instead of only these 2 orbits. I know there is no time to set up any formal demos, but some how try to incorporate something "school related". Im going to just hook a TNC and scanner to a computer at my kids school on the way to work and then when I pick them up that afternoon check the map and see what they heard. All it takes is a few posits on the map and we can declare success for that school... OR tell your kids to loggon via internet to any of the APRS web sites to SEE it live. That certainly counts! de WB4APR. From pmarkham@ns1.lagasco.com Fri Mar 06 21:37:27 1998 Received: from ns1.lagasco.com ([208.134.253.1]) by tapr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.9) with ESMTP id VAA15538 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:37:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from remote.lagasco.com ([208.134.253.30] (may be forged)) by ns1.lagasco.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA00213 for ; Fri, 06 Mar 1998 22:30:55 -0500 Message-Id: <199803